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Old 09-02-2011, 03:26 PM
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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

I just got out of the v6 overland and into a new v8 overland. As I said in my previous posts, the v6 is a fine engine (and will be even much better w the 8 speed). Overall, I liked it, however the difference is in the feel of the extra torque in the V8
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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

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flashy09, what type of driving and roads would you be on? For example, city vs. highway, slow commute, mountains, towing, etc.

In terms of fuel economy the V6 has an advantage in city driving but the numbers are very close on the highway.

The V8 (Hemi) will accelerate better and depending on load, can serve has a better option for towing.

You'll find forum members on both sides of this question. Honestly, it comes down to what is good for you which would be helped by testing driving both powertrains.

For me I went for the Hemi. Do I really need it, no. However it was more of an emotional decision and ultimately I don't want regrets post purchase. The $2k adder which included the Hemi, tow pkg and QDII was worth it to me.






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I mostly drive on country roads out to horse farms and the racetrack. So about 55-60 mph without much traffic. Not any real off roading, but here and there need to drive into a muddy or icy field with hay, etc in the winter. I will be towing a horse trailer ...it's a European one called a Brenderup and it has extremely little tongue weight (60lbs) and it's own inertia brakes and supposedly can be towed by station wagons like you see in the UK. So not a big steel monster, but trailer and horse combined weigh about 3000-4000lbs depending on if I am hauling two or just one horses. The Rav4 V6 has done great with the trailer and alone feels very quick and peppy so I have gotten used to that feeling and found the Jeep very comfortable and smooth, but a little slow. Just curious if the bigger engine equals quicker accleration or just a more powerful feeling in general. I am looking for that Audi/Rav4 feeling in a bigger more luxurious car
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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

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I am in the exact position you are in. I too am considering either a 2012 Q5 2.0t premium plus or a JGC Overland. As far as the Q5 goes it is kinda small. The back seat is pretty tight for hauling around adults. It gets very good gas mileage but it needs 91 octane. Also its scheduled maintainance can get pricey....for example spark plugs every 30,000 miles. That being said, from following both the Audi and Jeep forums for the last couple of weeks I believe the build quality and reliability of Audi is vastly superior to Jeeps. I am amazed and quite abit concerned about the amount of problems reported on the 2011 JGC's. I am hoping that the 12's will prove to have the "bugs" worked out. I am waiting for the jury to come in on this issue. As far as the Jeep V6 vs V8 goes, I can say that I have test driven both and the v6 is sluggish compared to the Hemi. The fact that this vehicle for my purposes will be pretty much used for "soccer mom" dutys, makes 13 MPG on hemi around town a very costly proposition. IMO, gas prices will not go down...they will only increase in the future. The lack of power on the v6 is not a deal breaker for me but paying more to have to pay more is. So at this moment I am leaning towards waiting abit and then ordering a V6 overland to have before the late January/February New York snows hit. Good luck.
On these points I will vehemently disagree.

The Audi build quality is very good, no doubt about it but it's not the gap it once was. In fact, I would argue that having crawled inside and out, behind panels and underneath I don't think the VAG vehicles are really all that much better considers as an entire system, and this comes from someone who's been and still is a die hard German car nut.

As for reliability, that's a wash IMHO. VAG vehicles actually are rated on the lower end for long term reliability compared to a number of other makes. While the jury is still out on the WK2 long term, the current issues you read about here are really quite small considering the volume of WK2's built and there's nothing to indicate it won't be a very reliable vehicle, based on the engineering and material quality I see.

FYI, VAG = Volkswagen Audi Group
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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

Flashy09-Depending on where you are there is a jeep dealer near Bay harbor on U.S. 31. You can check them all out. I have a V6 and I would say if you are doing any towing, go with the hemi.
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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

My girlfriends is currently, in the shop, and we have a V6 as a rental until it gets fixed. Holy crap am I glad I have a HEMI.
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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

Night and day difference between the two. I have driven both and purchased the hemi because it felt way better suited to the weight.
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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

V-6 feels better in the wallet
V-8 feels better in the soul.

If pulling anything over 2,500 lbs get the Hemi.

If you want to get good gas mileage in the Hemi on the Hwy. you gotta use the cruise control.
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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

flashy09, since you will be towing with possible an increase load due to an additional horse I would go with the Hemi just for added torque. The JGC weighs (rounding the number) 5,000 lbs. This is a bit more vs. the RAV4.

It is not so much of a question of increase HP between the V6 and V8 (also referred to as the Penstar and Hemi) but the added torque. Plus you would have the tow package bundled with the V8.

Would the V6 work for your application, yes. Would the V8 feel and accelerate better, yes.





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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

Just think the HEMI is a full second quicker than the V6 for only $2,000 more. The new SRT8 is only 3 seconds quicker then the 5.7HEMI for only $30,000 more.......
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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

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Just think the HEMI is a full second quicker than the V6 for only $2,000 more. The new SRT8 is only 3 seconds quicker then the 5.7HEMI for only $30,000 more.......
3 seconds is a big difference and the cost difference is around $16k with improved handling and braking. I don't agree Chryco and their pricing model for the SRT8 but it is not $30k (Overland to SRT8).

The 5.7 Hemi should run better times but is limited due to conservative programming.




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3 seconds is a big difference and the cost difference is around $16k with improved handling and braking. I don't agree Chryco and their pricing model for the SRT8 but it is not $30k (Overland to SRT8).

The 5.7 Hemi should run better times but is limited due to conservative programming.




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Your comparing loaded to base. Base SRT8 is nearly $40,000 more than a base laredo, $23,000 more than a base overland, and $20,000 more than a base Summit. But their crazy pricing is a whole different story that has been covered enough.

Agreed the 5.7L can knock off a whole bother second if it was programmed better.
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Re: Accleration in the v8 vs v6

If you don't HAVE to buy a vehicle in the next two years, rumors say both the JGC and the Q5 are getting 3.0TDI engines in 2013/2014 model years. That'll increase towing capacity in the Jeep (maybe not for the Q5, it may have structural limitations that limit it like the Wrangler is limited). 8 speed transmissions are coming to the Jeeps in that time frame, too, which is expected to help with the V6 as well.

I lust after a 2011/2012 Jeep with a Hemi, but feeding my current V8 is getting a bit old (I see 14 city and up to 24 highway in it, on par with the new Hemi), and the new Hemi apparently needs premium on top of it. I would go out and buy one today if they had the diesel in it.

The 3.0TDI in the Q7 is an awesome monster, but Q7 is too big/expensive for me. In the lighter Q5, it is going to be a really nice combo. The Q5 was pretty nice, but I felt like I could park it in the back of my 2001 GC if I folded down the seats. No way the big cooler would fit in the back and leave any room for gear, whereas it fits fine in my current Jeep. It didn't have that much more space than my A3, and I've often felt space constrained with that car. I really, REALLY wanted a Q5 until I took a close look at it and realized it wouldn't meet my needs.

If the Q5 does meet your needs, you should get prepaid service. Price on it can be negotiated, but it is worthwhile even at MSRP. The four year plan for my A3 was only a few hundred bucks, and then you just don't have to worry about buying anything but tires for the first four years/45k miles. No matter which you buy, an extended warranty is also a great idea. Both have a ton of gadgets, and gadgets are expensive to fix.
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