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Old 04-26-2012, 07:47 AM
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

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LMAO. Thats just a profoundly absurd statement. $20 a week is $80 a month. Thats not an insignificant amount of money...not to anyone smart regardless of how much money somebody makes. Its not a question of being able to afford it...I pay for a lot of luxury items that cost more than $80 a month I don't really need. $250 a month for cable, I have XM and Sirius in cars...thats nearly $50 a month right there. Its a question of getting benefit out of what one is spending. I get enjoyment out of what I pay for, and things I don't want...I don't pay for. Some things I would like...I choose not to pay for because the cost/benefit comparison doesn't work out to me. Not to mention thats $20 a week on top of what is already a $240 per month fuel expense for us with the Jeep. That would bring it to $320 a month just for gas, when I'm also paying $240 a month to fuel the Lexus. Just not interested. If gas was still $1.50 a gallon...then sure.

The thrill of having a "V8" and marginally better power in a big, slow SUV just is not worth $80 more a month to me. $10 more a month, maybe. I don't tow, it gets driven around town and on road trips. I'd rather drive my V6 Jeep out to one more nice dinner with my wife every month.

On top of that, with gas prices and the economy being so volatile right now, I see the potential for that cost to rise...and for the desirability of my Jeep as a pre-owned vehicle to diminish...and for those issues to be compounded with the V8. Since like I said, I am perfectly happy with the V6...why would I pay $80 a month more, and open myself up to even greater costs for something I don't want?!? Because you like the V8? Why do I care what you like? I've had V8s...and they're great. With $4 a gallon gas though its just not worth it to me, sorry.

If you like the V8...great...enjoy it...but this idea that V6 owners just "couldn't afford the V8" is asinine. I can afford to buy anything I want, whenever I want. Being that I'm a smart, businessminded consumer however I don't just buy whatever I want without considering the cost vs benefit. People buying everything they want, whenever they want and $80 more per month for fuel be damned is what has caused this financial meltdown in the first place. We certainly don't go without, but financial restraint needs to be a part of everybody's lifestyle, whether you make $10k a year or $1M a year...theres always going to be something else to spend money on. If you spend money on everything...you'll never have anything. Its why I bought a Laredo X and not an Overland Summit. Is the Summit better? Well yeah, but the additional features weren't worth the cost for me. If I were going to allocate $80 more a month to the Jeep, I'd have gotten an Overland with the V6 instead of another Laredo X with the V8.

I'm "some guy who bought his Jeep off the lot". Whats that supposed to mean? I'm somehow a lesser person than you because I didn't custom order my Jeep and wait 6 months for it? Just so happens what I wanted was on the lot. Its just a car...its a toy that we will enjoy for a few years, then we'll throw it away when we get bored and get something else. Why would I have wanted to wait 6 months to get some button for some option I don't even need? Thats 6 months I could have been enjoying my Jeep. Its not the "vehicle of a lifetime" for me.
Excellent post, good financial advice.

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I pay for a lot of luxury items that cost more than $80 a month I don't really need. $250 a month for cable, I have XM and Sirius in cars...thats nearly $50 a month right there. Its a question of
You are paying way too much for Sirius XM. You should be able to talk them down to $5-6 /month per radio (a few bucks more if you want Traffic/Weather). Doesn't sound like you are that savvy of a consumer...
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:01 AM
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

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You are paying way too much for Sirius XM. You should be able to talk them down to $5-6 /month per radio (a few bucks more if you want Traffic/Weather). Doesn't sound like you are that savvy of a consumer...

you don't know how many cars/boats (radios) he owns.

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Old 04-26-2012, 10:21 AM
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I see lots of people talking about gas mileage like it is the ONLY thing they are concerned with when thinking about a new vehicle.
If it were the only thing to consider, none of us would have ever bought the Jeep in the first place...V6 or V8. I traded a Toyota Prius for the Jeep, so obviously fuel economy was not my primary concern. However, operating costs of a vehicle should always be a concern to anybody with a brain.

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If I buy a high performance car, I care about just that... PERFORMANCE.

If I buy a pickup truck for hauling stuff, then HAULING ability is what I care about.

If I buy grocery getter or people hauler, than cupholders are what I want.
I don't understand your point. If you read what I and others have said, the V6 is adequate for our needs...so why would we want the higher operating costs of the V8? If I buy a Jeep, I want a good looking, comfortable SUV that will get me where I'm going regardless of where that is or in what kind of weather, and be comfortable for me, family & stuff on a trip. A V8 is not a requirement for those wants. If you tow regularly, or haul regularly, or just have a real need for the word "Hemi" and a V8's grumble...then your needs are different then mine and maybe the additional cost is worth it to you. Its not to me.

And if nobody cares about fuel economy, then why are manufacturers consistently coming out with vehicles that get better fuel economy? Why do consumers regularly list "fuel economy" as one of if not the number one things they consider when buying a vehicle in any poll? Why do we have V6 full size pickups now, and V6 full size luxury sedans? Why in the entry to midlevel luxury category is everybody going from premium fuel requirements to regular fuel requirements with reduced performance? Because people care about a vehicle's operating costs across a wide variety of price points...bottom line.

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You are paying way too much for Sirius XM. You should be able to talk them down to $5-6 /month per radio (a few bucks more if you want Traffic/Weather). Doesn't sound like you are that savvy of a consumer...
I have three radios, plus access on the computer. The XM in the Lexus is like $22 a month for XM, best of Sirius, traffic & weather. The Sirius in the Jeep is covered for the first year, and I have Sirius in another car that costs $13 a month. Once the Jeep's trial period is up, I can combine it and the other Sirius account I have and save some money.

You can't combine Sirius and XM accounts. I could have negotiated something cheaper if I wanted to pay all upfront or something like that, but I don't.

Look, the bottom line is...if you want the V8...great, but don't assume people who have the V6 have it because they "couldn't afford" the V8. Some people just don't want the V8...lots of people.
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you don't know how many cars/boats (radios) he owns.

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He said he has the Jeep and the Lexus, so I ASSUMED (yea, I know) 2. I guess my post can be ignored if he has 7-8 additional cars/boats.
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And if nobody cares about fuel economy, then why are manufacturers consistently coming out with vehicles that get better fuel economy?
The government also has a big hand in that...and not always by choice of the manufacturers.
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You can't combine Sirius and XM accounts. I could have negotiated something cheaper if I wanted to pay all upfront or something like that, but I don't.
I have an XM account from 2004, XM from 2005, Sirius from 2006 and Sirius from 2011 all on the same account...a combination of pre- and post merger accounts.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:38 AM
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The government also has a big hand in that...and not always by choice of the manufacturers.
They do...but consumers clearly speak and want vehicles with better and better fuel economy as well.

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have an XM account from 2004, XM from 2005, Sirius from 2006 and Sirius from 2011 all on the same account...a combination of pre- and post merger accounts.
I tried to do that a few times and was told it could not be done. When did you link them all up like that?
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They do...but consumers clearly speak and want vehicles with better and better fuel economy as well.
kinda. It would be nice to have power, size, mpg, etc... but you can't have everything. I do wish the Hemi got better gas mileage but am not willing to give up the other things to get it. The number of big trucks and suv's on the road kinda points to that also.

People do want better gas mileage but also want to have some fun.

I will gladly give up some MPG to enjoy the extra power on a daily basis and have the extra towing capacity.



Money may not be a part of it for some but every thread comparing the 6 to the 8 turns into the 8 guys liking the power and the 6 guys liking the mpg. I only remember a few posts where someone said the 6 was lighter and made the handling better, but 99% of the time it is about how much cheaper the 6 is to buy and operate. So yea, it kinda is all about money.
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I tried to do that a few times and was told it could not be done. When did you link them all up like that?
We just kept activating them under the same account...I don't recall having to do anything special. Maybe it has changed in the past couple years and the 2011 radio was "grandfathered" in since there were already two types of services on the account? Sorry, not much help there...I will say the 2012 Sirius is on its own account right now as it took them forever to get the trial correct. I have not tried merging anything yet as I fear they will screw the trial up yet again. I still have about 9 months until the trial runs out and then I will re-evaluate.
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