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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

I'd like to thank everyone for keeping me coming back for more. I just keep reading the pro 8 vs pro 6, otherwise not much more than guys having the age old my dad can beat your dad argument.( or insert some other measurement contest here) I bought the V6 and the QT1 (OMG the horrors) because I like its styling, and it is good enough to occasionally pull my 22 foot boat up a slippery ramp in the summer, and still navigate my 175 inches of snowfall I drive through to ski all winter. The operative phrase being "good enough". I imagine I might need the V8 to be "good enough" to do the same with my future 24 foot boat. But, what about the 30 foot 10000 lb rig? Well the V8 aint "good enough" either. There are always limits. My neighbor, and the 99% other people I drive alongside of, have zero knowledge of the different powerplants and drivetrains on these vehicles....so I doubt they are feeling bad for my value choices.
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

Ahh a man that looks at the WK2 as a transportation appliance. Appliances just need to do what you need them to do.
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cars are horrible investments, might as well have fun with it.
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

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LMAO. Thats just a profoundly absurd statement. $20 a week is $80 a month. Thats not an insignificant amount of money...not to anyone smart regardless of how much money somebody makes. Its not a question of being able to afford it...I pay for a lot of luxury items that cost more than $80 a month I don't really need. $250 a month for cable, I have XM and Sirius in cars...thats nearly $50 a month right there. Its a question of getting benefit out of what one is spending. I get enjoyment out of what I pay for, and things I don't want...I don't pay for. Some things I would like...I choose not to pay for because the cost/benefit comparison doesn't work out to me. Not to mention thats $20 a week on top of what is already a $240 per month fuel expense for us with the Jeep. That would bring it to $320 a month just for gas, when I'm also paying $240 a month to fuel the Lexus. Just not interested. If gas was still $1.50 a gallon...then sure.

The thrill of having a "V8" and marginally better power in a big, slow SUV just is not worth $80 more a month to me. $10 more a month, maybe. I don't tow, it gets driven around town and on road trips. I'd rather drive my V6 Jeep out to one more nice dinner with my wife every month.

On top of that, with gas prices and the economy being so volatile right now, I see the potential for that cost to rise...and for the desirability of my Jeep as a pre-owned vehicle to diminish...and for those issues to be compounded with the V8. Since like I said, I am perfectly happy with the V6...why would I pay $80 a month more, and open myself up to even greater costs for something I don't want?!? Because you like the V8? Why do I care what you like? I've had V8s...and they're great. With $4 a gallon gas though its just not worth it to me, sorry.

If you like the V8...great...enjoy it...but this idea that V6 owners just "couldn't afford the V8" is asinine. I can afford to buy anything I want, whenever I want. Being that I'm a smart, businessminded consumer however I don't just buy whatever I want without considering the cost vs benefit. People buying everything they want, whenever they want and $80 more per month for fuel be damned is what has caused this financial meltdown in the first place. We certainly don't go without, but financial restraint needs to be a part of everybody's lifestyle, whether you make $10k a year or $1M a year...theres always going to be something else to spend money on. If you spend money on everything...you'll never have anything. Its why I bought a Laredo X and not an Overland Summit. Is the Summit better? Well yeah, but the additional features weren't worth the cost for me. If I were going to allocate $80 more a month to the Jeep, I'd have gotten an Overland with the V6 instead of another Laredo X with the V8.

I'm "some guy who bought his Jeep off the lot". Whats that supposed to mean? I'm somehow a lesser person than you because I didn't custom order my Jeep and wait 6 months for it? Just so happens what I wanted was on the lot. Its just a car...its a toy that we will enjoy for a few years, then we'll throw it away when we get bored and get something else. Why would I have wanted to wait 6 months to get some button for some option I don't even need? Thats 6 months I could have been enjoying my Jeep. Its not the "vehicle of a lifetime" for me.
I wouldn't say it was an absurd statement or that you are or aren't s shrewd consumer. It all boils down to what you want to spend your money on. For me as many others have said the number one thing I want is performance, performance, and more performance. I want to spend my money on that. Does this make me unshrewd? For me I get far more enjoyment spending the "$80" or whatever it works out to each week to have the performance in my vehicle than spending it on anything else I can think of. One meal a month at a nice restaurant vs. a smile every time I hit the gas? One bad seat at a sporting event? Sorry, but I got this because bang for the buck it was fast and did what I wanted. I got the Armada because the year I got it, it was the fastest SUV in its class. No other reason, feature, etc. mattered. Different strokes so don't belittle someone because they said it didn't matter and yes if you are going to spend this much on an SUV, whining about $20 a week is pretty petty. Save the couple bucks somewhere else or work an extra week before retiring. Well worth it.
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

Some people view vehicles as a tool or an appliance as someone said. They like to buy other things like plants or doylies for their tables.

Others like the power and performance and view driving as a fun pass time instead of a chore.

I'm in the second camp. I drive about 55k miles a year and love it. I had a G35 that I hated because I didn't get a stick and it wasn't fast enough. I have always and will always by the biggest fastest of anything I drive. I can't see buying one car for performance and another for economy or utility. I want my utility to perform too.

So just like there's people who like red, and others like blue, I just am who I am and others are who they are but don't act like you're side is superior to the other. It isn't. Its just different.

So the way to answer V6 vs. V8 is simple. Do you like performance or not. The savings or the adequate performance is clearly not going to satisfy the performance crowd and the extra grunt won't make the economy guy happy. I'm happy I got the V8 every second I drive. I know I would hate the V6 every second just as much. But I would love the V6 if a V4 was the alternative.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:27 PM
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kinda. It would be nice to have power, size, mpg, etc... but you can't have everything. I do wish the Hemi got better gas mileage but am not willing to give up the other things to get it. The number of big trucks and suv's on the road kinda points to that also.

People do want better gas mileage but also want to have some fun.
It is improving though. Look at the performance of your Hemi Jeep vs a V8 Jeep from 10 years ago...and look at the economy. Your Jeep performs better AND gets better economy.

Same is true of the 6, the six performs like the V8 from 10 years ago...and gets WAY better mileage. The future is bright.

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It all boils down to what you want to spend your money on. For me as many others have said the number one thing I want is performance, performance, and more performance. I want to spend my money on that. Does this make me unshrewd? For me I get far more enjoyment spending the "$80" or whatever it works out to each week to have the performance in my vehicle than spending it on anything else I can think of.
You completely miss my point. What you are saying is what I am saying. Obviously the expense is worthwhile to you, which is fine. Its not for me. Doesn't make you wrong, or me wrong. My issue is with the fact that the V8 crowd seems to think we're dumb, or somehow less of an enthusiast, or cheap, or poor because we got the 6 over the 8...which isn't true.

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We just kept activating them under the same account...I don't recall having to do anything special. Maybe it has changed in the past couple years and the 2011 radio was "grandfathered" in since there were already two types of services on the account?
Yeah I had an existing Sirius account, then I got the 2010 Lexus and had to get an account when the XM trial on that ended (probably October 2010, Lexus only gives you a 90 day trial!). Thats when I tried to add it as an additional radio to the Sirius account I already had and was told I could not.

However, they have some of the most profoundly stupid customer service reps I've ever seen...so that may have been the issue.
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I would say cheap for people who whine about the extra fuel cost. Not less of an enthusiast or poor.
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It is improving though. Look at the performance of your Hemi Jeep vs a V8 Jeep from 10 years ago...and look at the economy. Your Jeep performs better AND gets better economy.

Same is true of the 6, the six performs like the V8 from 10 years ago...and gets WAY better mileage. The future is bright.



You completely miss my point. What you are saying is what I am saying. Obviously the expense is worthwhile to you, which is fine. Its not for me. Doesn't make you wrong, or me wrong. My issue is with the fact that the V8 crowd seems to think we're dumb, or somehow less of an enthusiast, or cheap, or poor because we got the 6 over the 8...which isn't true.



Yeah I had an existing Sirius account, then I got the 2010 Lexus and had to get an account when the XM trial on that ended (probably October 2010, Lexus only gives you a 90 day trial!). Thats when I tried to add it as an additional radio to the Sirius account I already had and was told I could not.

However, they have some of the most profoundly stupid customer service reps I've ever seen...so that may have been the issue.

I'm not saying you're not an enthusiast, but I really don't think the new V6 has the same low end grunt of a V8 from 10 years ago... It's rated at 260lbft at 4800 (4800!) and is 250 or less until 4000.. Older V8's had similar HP, but still had good low end torque and plenty of it... All while getting 11mpg
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I would say cheap for people who whine about the extra fuel cost. Not less of an enthusiast or poor.
I'm not whining at all, I'm just saying I have no interest in the higher operating costs of the V8.

And nobody who knows me would accuse me of being cheap LOL.
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

and back and forth we go>............................................... ............. V6 is better
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

Of course this is a preference issue but here are some facts:

The V8 comes with a better transmission, bigger brakes, and has better suspension and 4wd system. All that for the additional cost is a bargain :-)

That being said, just go with what you like
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...whining about $20 a week is pretty petty. Save the couple bucks somewhere else or work an extra week before retiring. Well worth it.
Dude you must make a lot more than I do. $20/week for 40 weeks at a piddly 6% works out to over $173k available for retirement. I'm jealous and want your job.
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