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Old 03-31-2012, 10:48 AM
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

So it depends on whether you look at the vehicle as a transportation appliance or something that also provides some driving pleasure.

Over the past decade, all of which with fuel cost concerns, the V8 JGCs traded at a premium over the V6 or I6. Mostly because V8s are relatively rare where V6s are a dime a dozen. Folks looking for a used JGC are more likely to want the V8, so the 6s sell at big discounts. Buyers looking at the JGC typically are not that concerned about mpg, there are other alternatives with far better mpgs.

So if we try to take an objective reference point; Say you drive the car 100,000 miles where a V6 conservatively gets 20mpg, V8 under same conditions gets say 17 (I get 19-21). You will burn ~880 more gallons of fuel with the V8. At say $4 a gallon, thats roughly $3520 plus the ~$2000 initial V8 purchase premium means ~$5500 over the 100000 mile period. Roughly 10% discount for the V6, or like 5 cents a mile...

A ball park relative $ estimate, certainly not all inclusive but perhaps close enough.

What if fuel goes to $5 everywhere... that bumps cost to ~$6400

But what if fuel goes to $3... then that reduces the V8 premium to ~$4600

Now what kind of trade in premium. If you look at say a 2007 vintage JGC in kelly BB, you see that a 4.7 V8 is worth 1000 more than a V6 on trade, and a hemi is worth another $700... so that is about ~$1700 better trade in value (~20% more). So at $4 a gal, you end up out of pocket ~$3800 about 4 cents a mile, or about $4 on a 100 mile commute. Close to a drop in the bucket compared to all the other operating costs.

The worth is subjective, for years we compromised with 4s and 6s, which were great transportation appliances. This time I said screw the compromise, I'm getting what I really want/need.

So you can find a way to rationalize any decision, just buy what you like. Its only money

PS, the spouse is very happy with her little V6 Liberty, she spends most of her time driving in town. I don't care for driving it, however, although its nice enough around town.
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So it depends on whether you look at the vehicle as a transportation appliance or something that also provides some driving pleasure.
My V6 Jeep provides me with plenty of driving pleasure. Obviously it does to the other poster who has both the V6 and V8 and prefers the 6.

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Over the past decade, all of which with fuel cost concerns, the V8 JGCs traded at a premium over the V6 or I6. Mostly because V8s are relatively rare where V6s are a dime a dozen. Folks looking for a used JGC are more likely to want the V8, so the 6s sell at big discounts.
Over the past decade fuel prices have only been this high for a very brief time, and during that time resale for all SUVs in general, especially V8 SUVs dropped like a rock.

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Buyers looking at the JGC typically are not that concerned about mpg, there are other alternatives with far better mpgs.
I can count LOTS of people on this forum who were concerned about MPG when buying their JGC, myself included. With gas prices this high, one would be crazy not to consider MPG unless you drive very little.

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So if we try to take an objective reference point; Say you drive the car 100,000 miles where a V6 conservatively gets 20mpg, V8 under same conditions gets say 17 (I get 19-21). You will burn ~880 more gallons of fuel with the V8. At say $4 a gallon, thats roughly $3520 plus the ~$2000 initial V8 purchase premium means ~$5500 over the 100000 mile period. Roughly 10% discount for the V6, or like 5 cents a mile...
Your estimates aren't really representative of the numbers we've seen posted on the forum. I've seen people say that they're getting 11 MPG around town with their V8, where our V6 solidly gets 17. I call total BS that you get 19-21 in your V8 unless you drive all highway at 60MPH and drive like a total granny, which does away with any of your "fun". We don't get that with our V6. I get 21MPG hwy at flow of traffic speeds...with the V6.

Anyways, gas isn't getting cheaper...and we don't know what the future is going to hold. It is a very real possibility that we will see $5 a gallon gas+ in the next year. Its already $4.80 here for high test some places.

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What if fuel goes to $5 everywhere... that bumps cost to ~$6400
If thats an insignificant amount of money to you, good for you. Thats 20% of the purchase price of my Jeep! Pretty significant. Bear in mind your comparison is very conservative to the benefit of the V8, and makes no allowance for the fact that the V8 demands midgrade fuel, so I would argue the difference in cost over 100k miles is even more profound.

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But what if fuel goes to $3... then that reduces the V8 premium to ~$4600
Again...if thats an insignificant amount of money to you, good for you.
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Old 03-31-2012, 11:41 AM
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

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My V6 Jeep provides me with plenty of driving pleasure. Obviously it does to the other poster who has both the V6 and V8 and prefers the 6.



Over the past decade fuel prices have only been this high for a very brief time, and during that time resale for all SUVs in general, especially V8 SUVs dropped like a rock.



I can count LOTS of people on this forum who were concerned about MPG when buying their JGC, myself included. With gas prices this high, one would be crazy not to consider MPG unless you drive very little.



Your estimates aren't really representative of the numbers we've seen posted on the forum. I've seen people say that they're getting 11 MPG around town with their V8, where our V6 solidly gets 17. I call total BS that you get 19-21 in your V8 unless you drive all highway at 60MPH and drive like a total granny, which does away with any of your "fun". We don't get that with our V6. I get 21MPG hwy at flow of traffic speeds...with the V6.

Anyways, gas isn't getting cheaper...and we don't know what the future is going to hold. It is a very real possibility that we will see $5 a gallon gas+ in the next year. Its already $4.80 here for high test some places.



If thats an insignificant amount of money to you, good for you. Thats 20% of the purchase price of my Jeep! Pretty significant. Bear in mind your comparison is very conservative to the benefit of the V8, and makes no allowance for the fact that the V8 demands midgrade fuel, so I would argue the difference in cost over 100k miles is even more profound.



Again...if thats an insignificant amount of money to you, good for you.

I think you need to take a little more time research a little more carefully and without your selective rose colored glasses, be a bit more objective, take the emotion out of it. You may even be less stressed out. You drive a V8 like you stole it you will get 11mpg, drive a V6 like you stole it you will get 13 maybe 14 mpg. Don't be just picking out posts that happen to support your opinion and ignore those that don't an criticize them as BS. Obviously you ignore the numerous posts of fellas getting 23-24 mpg in the hemi... but I digress.

Perhaps you missed all the mpg surveys here. You are spending $45000 for a vehicle and are that worried about cost? You are probably looking at the wrong transportation appliance for you, or a victim of wishful thinking. All SUVs plummet in value at times 4, 6 8,12 regardless. Unfortunately your V6 SUV will be worthless at $6 a gallon too... open your eyes a bit before making such ludicrous remarks. Someone new here may actually believe your selective and perhaps unfounded assertions.
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

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its complete preference. if your looking to tow depending on the weight the v8 is a good option, if your just planning on it being used for everyday driving and commuting, the v6 is a great option. I opted for the v6 and i will also be towing with it. i just figured i didnt need the 360 hp of the hemi and i didnt want to take the mild hit on fuel economy... the 2011 model year wk2 had from what i read alot of issues but it seems to me that alot of the bugs have been worked out. maybe somebody will give there 2 cents bout the hemi, from what i have heard its a great engine, but so is the v6. what other options are you planning on getting with it?
probably gonna go with the Limited.. its worth the extra bucks than the laredo don't you think? overland is out of my price range
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

17,200 miles on 6 cylinder Limited. It works for me. What's the big hurry getting on the interstate anyway? I read somewhere that Chrysler had passed the 1 million mark on Pentastars, so I guess it works.
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

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probably gonna go with the Limited.. its worth the extra bucks than the laredo don't you think? overland is out of my price range
I thought you were on the fence with V6 or V8.
Drives you nuts wright.
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You drive a V8 like you stole it you will get 11mpg
Unless you just bought it for towing, then what would be the point of having it if you didn't drive that way>
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

Hemi is one of the great engines, iron engines of the last century that is. PentaStar is a modern alloy engine. 4 valves/cyl vs 2. Both are oversquare designs (undersquare is "generally" better for torque and boosting. OTOH for quite a few years I have confidered a 3 1/4" stroke to be near perfect for trash gas. Would take a book of chemistry and physics to explain why).

I would suggest that if you want to do a lot of towing, or rock climbing, or have a curbweight over 4700 LBs, (or just want one) get the Hemi. All others will probably be happy with the Pentastar.

Will mention that this is the first forum I've seen for mid & large SUVs that has several threads on how good the MPG is. Over 20 mpg averages seems common for Pentastar Laredos.

And who knows, someday it may be usefull to be able to brew your own 200 proof ethanol.
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I thought you were on the fence with V6 or V8.
Drives you nuts wright.
no it was just a reference to that guys last statement. all the talk on the v6 vs v8 is really helpful and greatly appreciated!! my main dilemma is v6 or v8 not limited or laredo...
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My V6 Jeep provides me with plenty of driving pleasure. Obviously it does to the other poster who has both the V6 and V8 and prefers the 6.



Over the past decade fuel prices have only been this high for a very brief time, and during that time resale for all SUVs in general, especially V8 SUVs dropped like a rock.



I can count LOTS of people on this forum who were concerned about MPG when buying their JGC, myself included. With gas prices this high, one would be crazy not to consider MPG unless you drive very little.



Your estimates aren't really representative of the numbers we've seen posted on the forum. I've seen people say that they're getting 11 MPG around town with their V8, where our V6 solidly gets 17. I call total BS that you get 19-21 in your V8 unless you drive all highway at 60MPH and drive like a total granny, which does away with any of your "fun". We don't get that with our V6. I get 21MPG hwy at flow of traffic speeds...with the V6.

Anyways, gas isn't getting cheaper...and we don't know what the future is going to hold. It is a very real possibility that we will see $5 a gallon gas+ in the next year. Its already $4.80 here for high test some places.



If thats an insignificant amount of money to you, good for you. Thats 20% of the purchase price of my Jeep! Pretty significant. Bear in mind your comparison is very conservative to the benefit of the V8, and makes no allowance for the fact that the V8 demands midgrade fuel, so I would argue the difference in cost over 100k miles is even more profound.



Again...if thats an insignificant amount of money to you, good for you.
U disagree with alot on these forums don't u?
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I think you need to take a little more time research a little more carefully and without your selective rose colored glasses, be a bit more objective, take the emotion out of it. You may even be less stressed out. You drive a V8 like you stole it you will get 11mpg, drive a V6 like you stole it you will get 13 maybe 14 mpg.
Then why do they even make the V6 if nobody wants it or cares about fuel economy? Why has every other midsized SUV manufacturer dropped their V8 offering except for Jeep? Why do they have V6s in full size pickup trucks now? And full size $75k+ luxury sedans? Why do they make a Hybrid Porsche? Because people do care about fuel economy in today's economy...at all price points.

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You are spending $45000 for a vehicle and are that worried about cost? You are probably looking at the wrong transportation appliance for you
I already bought it, 6 months ago. Of course I consider cost vs benefit before I buy anything. I'm not *that* worried about it, I simply chose the V6 because it provided the performance I wanted and a reduced cost overall than the V8. Like you said, if fuel economy was all I cared about I wouldn't have bought the Jeep.

I like V8s as much as the next guy, but be straight with people. The V8 is considerably more expensive to operate, bottom line. Let people decide if the benefits outweigh the costs.

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open your eyes a bit before making such ludicrous remarks. Someone new here may actually believe your selective and perhaps unfounded assertions.
Right back at you. You're every bit as closed minded as I am.

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U disagree with alot on these forums don't u?
Actually, if you look back through the thread I think most people agree with me. As they did in your thread.
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

Totally your preference. If you want to save money on ititial purchace and power isn't a big deal to you, V6. If you want to drive like a raped ape like I do and want to add additional power in the future, V8. If gas is the enemy but you want some additional power, wait for the diesel. Bottomline, test drive and see what you can live with. I always buy the biggest most powerful and I'm never disappointed and could care less what gas prices do.
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