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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

I'm not into personal stuff and don't like it but I never back down either. And I don't put BS up either like engineers make more than the highest paid profession in the world or that a V8 is an option not a model on mustang etc. Bottomline the V6 is weak. Its underpowered for anything but grocery getting and soccer mom duty. For performance oriented driving, which is pretty much anytime I turn the key, or for off road or towing, a V8 is minimum. But since a majority of GC never see that, I understand why they offer it. Just don't try to hand me a pile of crap and tell me it smells like roses.
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

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I have two engineering buddies, both are top in the field in pay. One flys around the world setting up power stations, the other is a Stanford Masters grad who works for Siemens. Both have been at their careers for 20 years. My dad and my dad's best friends were all engineers. My dad was the foremost authority on Nuclear hardening vs electromagnetic pulses in the 70s. None of them make half of what the average financial guy makes , which is north on average of $250,000. That's a silly assertion by you. Consistently for the pasy 20+ years investment banking is the number one paying profession abouve brain surgeon and Lawyer. Do your research.
I know plenty of engineers around here pulling in well over $250,000...that doesn't include benefits and a guaranteed pension.

The lists I have seen list Engineering Managers pretty close to the top, usually behind doctors and lawyers for average salary. I can't find any career list that shows financial fields as bringing in an average of $250,000. In fact, the highest average I can find on lists tops out in the low to mid-$100k's. Care to share your lists?
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

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I'm not into personal stuff and don't like it but I never back down either. And I don't put BS up either like engineers make more than the highest paid profession in the world or that a V8 is an option not a model on mustang etc. Bottomline the V6 is weak. Its underpowered for anything but grocery getting and soccer mom duty. For performance oriented driving, which is pretty much anytime I turn the key, or for off road or towing, a V8 is minimum. But since a majority of GC never see that, I understand why they offer it. Just don't try to hand me a pile of crap and tell me it smells like roses.
I think you've pretty much established yourself as nothing more than a dick here, so why not just let it rest?
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

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I know plenty of engineers around here pulling in well over $250,000...that doesn't include benefits and a guaranteed pension.

The lists I have seen list Engineering Managers pretty close to the top, usually behind doctors and lawyers for average salary. I can't find any career list that shows financial fields as bringing in an average of $250,000. In fact, the highest average I can find on lists tops out in the low to mid-$100k's. Care to share your lists?
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

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either choose SRT8 or another vehicle
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Re: Advice needed.. V6 or V8?

Every good engineer knows statistics never lie, but liars always quote statistics (Murphy's Law #13).

I went into engineering and not finance, because I like to do an honest days work...

As an engineer, like finance - I also get to play with other people's money. But when I am done; there is actually something you can see, touch and be proud you designed and built.

If your primary job motivation is making money, engineering is the wrong field for you. Engineering is a profession, not a job.
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Every good engineer knows statistics never lie, but liars always quote statistics (Murphy's Law #13).

I went into engineering and not finance, because I like to do an honest days work...

As an engineer, like finance - I also get to play with other people's money. But when I am done; there is actually something you can see, touch and be proud you designed and built.

If your primary job motivation is making money, engineering is the wrong field for you. Engineering is a profession, not a job.
Actually, I'd say I'm more altruistic than any profession save medical. My job isn't to make myself money, its to make other's money so they can retire comfortably and maintain their standard of living. Second only to physical health is financial health. My job is to make sure that people are fit financially and to help them achieve and maintain their financial health. I never play with money, ever. As for quoting stats, I only had to do that to prove a point. Those come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. He asked for it. He got it. My old man was an engineer. Now he has cancer because of the work he did. He did it to help protect the country. Engineering is honorable, but so is Financial. Originally I was an Aerospace engineer on the fast track to working on the ISS but changed and I'm happy I did for me. But I still respect the profession. And I'm tired of people trying to make financial guys or oil guys look like the bad guys. They aren't. And don't say I don't do an honest day's work. I work about 75 hours a week and travel 50k miles driving a year for my job taking two weeks off a year on average. It isn't easy.
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either choose SRT8 or another vehicle
Bang for the buck SRT8 isn't worth it. This isn't the primary vehicle for me, its her primary vehicle. I just like it to have a lil something when I hit the gas when I drive it. I'd like it more if the aholes at Chrysler would free up the computer codes so I could get 100-150hp more under the hood. Its silly that my little BMW has more HP than this does.
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True but if you drive it in a lively fashion for a few hours it learns your new habits so this shouldn't be necessary. Just the way a V6 vs V8 is. They are replacing the V6 tranny soon because of the complaints like this. Should help but will never be a v8.
Where did you hear/read the news about a replacement tranny for the V6?
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None of them make half of what the average financial guy makes , which is north on average of $250,000. That's a silly assertion by you. Consistently for the pasy 20+ years investment banking is the number one paying profession abouve brain surgeon and Lawyer. Do your research.
Its a silly assertion that the "average" financial guy makes north of $250k. There are certainly many people in the financial sector who make WELL above that, but to say thats the "average" or the median pay for someone in the financial sector isn't true. To say again that the average pay of people in the financial sector is higher than neurosurgeons or other highly paid doctors is just completely untrue. Look at my link below, the average pay for a neurosurgeon in a hospital owned practice is about $700k. FAR higher than the average financial sector job.

And the highest paid medical field isn't neurosurgery, and the average pay of lawyers isn't as high as you would think, and is in decline. In the medical field the #1 paying field is orthopedic surgery, followed by neurosurgery.

Source: http://www.beckershospitalreview.com...ownership.html

I don't know what to tell you about your friends and family in the engineering field. I know lots of engineers who make $200k+ Like I said, I see people's incomes every day in my line of work, I have a pretty good understanding of what people in different fields earn.

Check this article out, outlining the 10 highest paying degrees. 7 are engineering degrees. No business or financial degrees.

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/08...aying-degrees/

Breakdown of average pay in the financial sector:

http://blogs.payscale.com/compensati...n-finance.html

Again, my point is not that a certain percentage of people can achieve really high incomes in the financial sector, or course they can. But to assert as you have, that its the highest paying career on earth above neurosurgery is just patently false.
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LOL, did you read your own list? The first finance job is #10 on the list at like $110k. Below...you guessed it PETROLEUM ENGINEER at #6!

And thats only on the first CNBC 2011 list in that link, no finance job appears on any other list in that link, although engineering jobs do.

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Engineering and science professions account for four of the 25 highest paid professions listed on the 2004 Survey. Engineering managers, with an average 2004 annual salary of $97,630 USD, rank as the fifteenth highest earning professionals. Natural Science managers are ranked at the twenty-first highest paid professionals at an average income of $88,660 USD in 2004. Petroleum engineers are listed at number twenty-two on the list due to the findings of their average income at $88,500 USD in 2004. A physicist, with an average annual 2004 salary of $87,450 USD, is the twenty-fifth highest earning professional of the 25 highest paid professions on the 2004 Survey
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One high paying job that never makes a list due to the extremely competitive and relatively secretive nature of Wall Street is Sales & Trading / Investment Banking. A starting salary out of college/university for is $75,000 for the top investment banks with an annual bonus of $40,000-60,000. By the time of your first promotion (around 3 years), you can earn >$250,000. Top industry players make $1,000,000 per year.
The key here is "TOP INVESTMENT BANKS" and "EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE". Thats like saying every attorney leaves law school and gets a job at a top NY, LA or DC firm making $175k to start. Thats just not true, the top 2% of graduates of the top 5% schools might earn that...but to say that is AVERAGE is a fallacy. That supprts what I was saying, which is there is more headroom, but on the whole I still stand by my statement that on average, engineers make more, its less competitive and stressful and their jobs are more secure.

I'm a real estate broker. I know many colleagues who make over $750k a year. Does that mean the average pay for a real estate broker is that high? Of course not, in fact the average is incredibly low due to the fact that probably 10% of the people in the field do the business. My business too can be a very lucrative business, I make a very good living as do many others, but MANY fail...its a very stressful field and the consequences to your quality of life even with success are significant (i.e. money isn't everything), as is the case in your field. Would I recommend it to my child over a career in engineering where they won't have the risk that I have, or the stress...I don't think I would.
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