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Re: Any new Updates heard for a WK2 Programmer - BullyDog, HyperTech, SuperChip

If they make their money on service and parts, wouldn't they want people to mod vehicles so they could fix all the stuff that we "ruined?"
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Re: Any new Updates heard for a WK2 Programmer - BullyDog, HyperTech, SuperChip

gonna watch this thread just in case that miracle tuner becomes available...the PCM sure could use an upgrade
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Re: Any new Updates heard for a WK2 Programmer - BullyDog, HyperTech, SuperChip

What about the Jet Chip. Their website says they have a plug and play that give an additional 25hp. Is it junk?
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Re: Any new Updates heard for a WK2 Programmer - BullyDog, HyperTech, SuperChip

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If they make their money on service and parts, wouldn't they want people to mod vehicles so they could fix all the stuff that we "ruined?"
Nope, because when people talk about "that truck was a POS, all this stuff broke" they never mention that they were running it with an aggressive aftermarket tune where all they did was advance the timing and say "make sure you run premium!". They conveniently forget about all that sort of stuff, because they're too cheap to pony up the money to fix the stuff that they broke with their modifications. And then you get the fools that genuinely believe the manufacturer should warranty them beyond factory condition.

If people were up front and honest about what broke the stuff, and were willing to pay for those repairs and parts out of pocket, then there would be no need to lock the PCM. But unfortunately, people are not that upstanding, especially when they break something expensive because of their stupidity and their wife is upset because they don't have the money for it and so it automatically becomes a warranty issue.

Look at the Nissan GT-R if you need proof of that. Many owners complained that they had broken transmissions (a $20k repair job). It HAD to be a warranty defect, and it wasn't fair that they would void the warranty for turning off all the driving aids. The owners that broke transmissions complained long and loud, talking huge trash on the car and its reliability, and how they treated their cars great and never beat on them and only used the LC sparingly, etc.

Nissan was smart enough to install data recorders that monitored what was going on in the car. They found that 90% or more of the cases of "defective transmissions" were caused by people using the launch control in rapid succession, with little or no cooling breaks, and/or using it a lot and not replacing the transmission fluids on a faster schedule. And if you do a hard launch from 4500rpm over and over again in anything powerful and 4WD you're gonna break something.
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Re: Any new Updates heard for a WK2 Programmer - BullyDog, HyperTech, SuperChip

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Nope, because when people talk about "that truck was a POS, all this stuff broke" they never mention that they were running it with an aggressive aftermarket tune where all they did was advance the timing and say "make sure you run premium!". They conveniently forget about all that sort of stuff, because they're too cheap to pony up the money to fix the stuff that they broke with their modifications. And then you get the fools that genuinely believe the manufacturer should warranty them beyond factory condition.

If people were up front and honest about what broke the stuff, and were willing to pay for those repairs and parts out of pocket, then there would be no need to lock the PCM. But unfortunately, people are not that upstanding, especially when they break something expensive because of their stupidity and their wife is upset because they don't have the money for it and so it automatically becomes a warranty issue.

Look at the Nissan GT-R if you need proof of that. Many owners complained that they had broken transmissions (a $20k repair job). It HAD to be a warranty defect, and it wasn't fair that they would void the warranty for turning off all the driving aids. The owners that broke transmissions complained long and loud, talking huge trash on the car and its reliability, and how they treated their cars great and never beat on them and only used the LC sparingly, etc.

Nissan was smart enough to install data recorders that monitored what was going on in the car. They found that 90% or more of the cases of "defective transmissions" were caused by people using the launch control in rapid succession, with little or no cooling breaks, and/or using it a lot and not replacing the transmission fluids on a faster schedule. And if you do a hard launch from 4500rpm over and over again in anything powerful and 4WD you're gonna break something.
Your proof is exactly why Chrysler is lame! Every other manufacturer has the ability to tell if the car has been tuned. Just do as others and let people mod their cars as they see fit! Furthermore, this is a small percentage of the modding community who would do this, and as others have claimed that community is small to begin with.
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Re: Any new Updates heard for a WK2 Programmer - BullyDog, HyperTech, SuperChip

sarcasm.
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Re: Any new Updates heard for a WK2 Programmer - BullyDog, HyperTech, SuperChip

I thought this thread was about a programmer for the WK2. The HEMI doesn't need a lot of help but improved shift mapping and allowing it to breathe freely would make a huge difference. If people are looking to get huge gains out of that Pentastar that would be a different story.
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Re: Any new Updates heard for a WK2 Programmer - BullyDog, HyperTech, SuperChip

it took 3 years for diablo to crack the first SRT8 PCMs.

The 392 started with the 11 CHally. SO its not even 2 years yet.

relax. it will happen.

whether someone cares or not if they ever crack it or whatever WHO CARES !



just know it will be cracked.

a few years wait lets a few MY finish thier factory warranty.....










and for the PUMPED UP BOY RACERS I have a query for you as well???


Would you buy the same SRT with everything the same including the price IF there was NO WARRANTY on anything at all?

If your answer is yes.......go see arrington and get the early PCM put in. your warranty will be void BUT YOU DONT CARE.

tell them you want it all reversible. then when tuning comes out for the 392 you can make a new choice. oh and drop in a 426 while you are there.
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Re: Any new Updates heard for a WK2 Programmer - BullyDog, HyperTech, SuperChip

I think that most people who want to tune or supercharge their hemi are not the SRT crowd, I have a 2012 overland with the hemi, I want more power at low revs. A super charger would be great and with the right tune you could limit the upper RPM power addition to a manageable level that will not hurt the drivetrain.
The SRT is a very cool car, but it's to low and sport oriented for an SUV, I like my jeep off road capable :-)
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Posts such as this scare me.

1) When I purchase a vehicle I expect to have the right of ownership, the freedom to use/modify the vehicle as I see fit as long as it does not unreasonably infringe on the rights/wellbeing of other people.

2) Much of what people spout these days is reflective of sloppy thinking, as in making a false assumption and then forming or expressing an opinion based on that assumption. I have been using these handheld tuners for years. I do so because I enjoy the general increased responsiveness of the vehicle, the sound of an exhaust/cai, etc. If gas mileage/emissions benefit from increased combustion efficiency, so much the better. I never abuse my vehicles, they are maintained beautifully inside and out, best maintenance with best filters/top synthetics, etc. Dealers know me well and are HAPPY to take a vehicle of mine in trade. The program can be wiped clean in a "flash."

3)Caveat emptor! I mean "honestly", there is so much you can do to check a car out before you put your hard earned cash down that this simply should never be an issue. I know a lot more people who enjoy tinkering with their vehicles than I do people who are"livid" about being stupid/naive.

4) I don't care what percentile or demographic I fit into. If it is worthwhile for a merchant to produce a product for me that I want, I will support that merchant by buying the product. This is an enthusiast forum. What are people like these doing on this thread in the first place. Go beat a dead horse somewhere else.
I couldn't agree more!
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Re: Any new Updates heard for a WK2 Programmer - BullyDog, HyperTech, SuperChip

Supply and demand. If you are a tuner and going to offer a performance tune you need to recoup your R&D costs. Too many folks get in this business and dont have a clue. Back when chips were the hot tuning item for BMWs and Porsches there was a lot crap out there and you had to do a lot research to find the quality products. Same thing happened back 30 years ago with performance throttle bodies. One big throttle butterfly was not the answer.

And a word of warning unless you can afford to replace the engine in your car never ever ever volunteer to let some use your vehicle for a programmer because they will have you sign all kinds of waivers for dyno runs etc.

Do your homework if someone does develop a programmer and dont just look at the peak numbers but the total area of the hp and torque curves. Peak numbers are meaningless and many times do not result in better lap times. Often times you get slower lap times.
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Performance modifications are indeed a crapshoot. I've had results all over the spectrum with stuff I've done to my vehicles over the years hoping to increase performance. But the current hemi in stock form produces more power than most of the older V-8s of similar size that I've tinkered with over the years, including my late GM 350 Yukon that I added a Crane cam and Whipplecharger to. I'm leaving well enough alone until there is credible and substantial evidence (dyno testing, consumer satisfaction, etc.) that shows how well all of the various performance elements--CAI, exhaust, programmer, etc.--work together. Then I may be interested. But adding things piecemeal no longer makes any sense to me. I'm long past being satisfied with just a good growl from a new intake or exhaust system!
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