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Old 06-15-2012, 10:41 AM
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Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

I know this topic has been discussed before, but I just wanted to bring it up to find out if there is anything that we are going to be able to do about the shift points in the WK2's. I cant speak for the V8 as I own a 2012 V6 Overland, but one of my only gripes about the car is its shift points. Dont get me wrong its not a huge deal, but noticeable nonetheless.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Chrysler did this all in the name of just being able to claim another mpg on the window sticker. If this is true thats very unfortunate that the owners driving experience has to suffer all for Chryslers advertising. I know MPG is a huge thing these days, but if I had a choice I would GLADLY loose a mile per gallon or two to have good shift points.
The other day I was accelerating up a hill and unlike what most cars would do and hold a gear, sure enough my Overland shifts and was literally at 1000rpm going up a hill. THen I have to apply more gas just to get it to kick back down. Its little things like this that I wish we could change for an all around better driving experience. Sometimes I will drive manually and try to simulate exactly how I would want the Jeep to shift and its amazing!! If only there was a way that it would do that on its own.

So after all this rambling, what are, or will be my options? My Overland is only a couple months old and is an amzzing vehicle and before anyone says anything, no there is nothing wrong with it. Sport mode doesnt really do much as far as shift points go so that doesnt help.

Will there eventually be some sort of tune that can help this? Does anyone think the driveability issues will be fixed with the new tranny coming in 2014? I would absolutely consider trading for all the new things and especially the transmission if they make it drive likes its supposed to!!

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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

The Hemi is just as retarded as the 6 is. I know I can limit the gears but that doesn't work well either.

I wish I could get the JGC with a nice 6-spd manual transmission, or at the very least a programmer to move shift points around. The Jeep shifts well on level ground but gets stupid when any sort of hill is involved. I thing the tranny programmers only tested it in the parking lot and decided it was good to go.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:56 PM
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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

My Overland is a V8 so please excuse my ignorance on this. Does the Pentastar not come with the auto-stick so you can shift it as you like?
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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

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My Overland is a V8 so please excuse my ignorance on this. Does the Pentastar not come with the auto-stick so you can shift it as you like?
he posted that he shifts his v6 manually. That kind of answers your question.
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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

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My Overland is a V8 so please excuse my ignorance on this. Does the Pentastar not come with the auto-stick so you can shift it as you like?
Yeah it does, I only shifted manually just to see how the Jeep could feel if it had good shift points and it was great. I'm not about to shift my automatic myself all the time though. I pretty much never use autostick.
I guess sport mode does help a little, but like mentioned above anytime you get on anything but level ground is when the shifting gets pretty annoying.

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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

I hear and agree, it is the one (plus the rainsensing wipers )thing that spoils an otherwise great vehicle,seems to get a bit better with milage,but is enough of a pain for me to get rid of it. If i keep a steady throttle from the lights, keeping up with the traffic mine will go 1st,2nd, ok then drop straight into third and i have to give it a boot to get it down again to maintain flow, in low speed traffic it has no idea what gear to go into, not smooth at all and i shoulnt have to change manually, its a bit like the rain sensing wipers, they have no idea of what to do.
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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

Yeah thats the kind of stuff im talking about. I have noticed that as well with somewhat normal one and two shifting, then third comes ridiculously too soon and I look at the tach and its at like 1000rpm and I cant accelerate with everyone else unless I give more throttle.
As for the rain sensing wipers thats odd that you are having issues with it or not happy with its operation. The Chrysler vehicles are one of the few that IMO have a excellent working system. The rain sensing wipers work flawlessly for me and put the speed of the wipers almost exactly where I would want them if I were operating them myself. I love it!
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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

V 8 sucks as well, i hate the delay in acceleration and then bam!
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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

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V 8 sucks as well, i hate the delay in acceleration and then bam!
Have you tried Sport mode? Makes a big difference.
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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

Yep it sucks. I dont know how this vehicle gets so many great reviews.
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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

My shift points are fine. It shifts into whatever gear it can manage to get up whatever hill I'm going up. Not quite sure what everyone is complaining about to be honest, lol.

And what's wrong with the rainsense wipers? Mine work great, they're maybe a touch too sensitive for my tastes, but I drive with what others consider a suicidal amount of rain on the windshield.

I have noticed the delay in throttle. This is just one of those hallmarks of a modern vehicle, electronic throttles have built in delays because stupid people often unintentionally press the pedal harder. The little delay keeps that from happening and improves fuel economy (and just might keep a mouth breather out of your rear bumper). Pretty much every vehicle of the past few years has this.
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Re: Awful shift points. Will we ever be able to do anything about it?

I'm definitely no expert, but if you're forced to apply more gas when it shifts to third and is at 1K RPM, I would think that would mean you're consuming more fuel than you otherwise would be, and so that would suggest (to me, again a non-expert) that it's not trying to save fuel but rather the transmission software is just kinda dumb in certain situations. And if that's the case, I would think this could be fixed with a transmission software upgrade -- assuming of course that Jeep would be willing to come out with one to resolve this issue. Complaining to Jeep might make it more likely that they do...
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