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Re: E85 can I do anything to improve fuel mileage?

E85 has been available for a number of years now. It's no more worth burning today than it was when it came out.

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Mild rant begin---:-)There's a difference in the subsidizing of the price of ethanol and the incentives the producers receive. There's plenty of great legislature funding eth research and plenty of antiquated crap giving out money like water, I know someone with 1000's of acres that gets paid NOT to grow corn, it's a big balancing act, but it needs good parenting, which it doesn't have currently.
Ethanol's subsidy isn't free, any gain at the pump is lost at tax time, a tax breakdown shows. It's not opinion the money comes from us not thin air. Please don't listen to me, read past the propaganda into just the numbers. It's not really deception, it's just misdirection, because the facts are the US Governments own, think egomaniacal pied piper.

I am not against ethanol I'm a proponent, but right now it's a political ploy with the hope that it's truly viable by the time people begin to think the govt couldn't possibly be so devious or steer the less informed, no way. It'll pan out and the cost to value will get far better and the average citizen will say "see I told you it was great" or they'll never know better and keep swallowing whatever crap is fed them. But you can't sue, or beat, the govt for damages from bad implementation of good ideas so I'm scared of the damage an arrogant politician playing chemist can cause.....on the path to ethanol being viable.

Ethanol is a great product and was for many years before it became a political platform, and if most people call political motives lies why do they so heartily jump on the ethanol bandwagon? This is better than coca colas ads because you get suckered and don't even see it or know, heck it's the same ad agency that has the account, hmm

Colorful twisting of lies and hope is like candy to a baby. I'm going to get some E85 and jack the tune on my baby, but my jeep is going to the other station for non ethanol fuel.

So on 99.9% of street cars there's almost nothing to offset the mpg loss or add power to offset or bolster e85 performance, no off the shelf tuners fully adjust as far as I know.
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Where I live in Nebraska I have never heard of anyone getting paid not to grow something, especially corn. If it's true, I would have to be heavily convinced why that needs to be done.

I have never received a subsidy that would allow me to not do something and get "free" money.

Everyone I know works very hard and some years the prices are good and other years (currently) they aren't, but you keep working and manage your money.

The reason I got involved is it always appears farmers get a bad image. The farm bill is over 80% food stamps, which has nothing to do with farmers and the myth that all farmers get these regular checks in the mail from the government for doing nothing.

I pay a ton in taxes for other people's health care, food, housing, cell phones, etc.

If they want to remove subsidies from all of farming, that's fine with me, but then they also need to remove those other subsidies from everyone else.



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E85 can I do anything to improve fuel mileage?

http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/ne...tion-junk-food

http://grist.org/farm-bill/corn-corn...a-drop-to-eat/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-s...t-pay-farmers/


I honestly didn't even read these as I've read so many links similar. If they're not good enough or they dont feel valid just Google "government paying people to not grow corn. None of this is hidden or that horrible. Or talk to 20 farmers because one is benefitting from a crop diversion program. It's a logical business tactic but at the same point there's a larger sacrifice we make in order to balance things out when there's politically motivated or lobbyist driven use of these tactics to cover something up or fix something someone else covered. Instead of the decisions being made for our futures they are made in haste, this was a Band-Aid. I'm on board with your point though I just see another side due to other considerations.
In 93 spent a while camping in Nebraska and loved it, the people, endless flatlands,and everything was nicer. But I'm from jersey and live in south Florida so...

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