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Old 02-08-2012, 02:33 AM
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Re: First Oil Change

Two different dealers parts managers I spoke with said that Chrysler asked them to only use Pennzoil oil for oil changes. That's all I saw on the shelf in their parts departments.
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Why do you think your voiding your powertrain warranty? It's an API rated oil, which meets or exceeds the ILSAC-GF4 rating. Just to clarify your misunderstandings, Quantum Blue by bndautomotive is actually a ILSAC-GF5 API rated oil. It's rated higher then Mopar, so before you go throwing out claims with no backing please read about the products first. Everyone starts somewhere huh? Just because they dont have Exxon backing them and call themselves Mobil 1 doesnt mean it's not a great and/or better product. Chrysler cant tell you what oil to run they can only recommend what oil weight to use. Otherwise everyone running anything other then mopar is voiding warranties which is incorrect.
Because I can't enlarge the jug on their website, I can't tell if it has the API Starburst or not? If it doesn't have the API Starburst AND meet the requirements of Chrysler Group LLC Material Standard MS-6395, a warranty claim could be denied. Chrysler can't tell you what brand to run, but it has to meet those 2 specs. Because the website claims "exceeds ALL the latest API specifications" doesn't mean it "meets" them, and has the API Starburst on the jug. It may -- I do not know? I don't see mention of it meeting Ford's nor Chrysler's latest spec, so I won't spend a dime on this Blue brew.
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wow they have this down to a science! Thanks for sharing the info

just a couple of notes: I don't neccessarily agree with his statement that not many people use Castrol. I think their sales will easily refute that and it is the oil recommended by BMW and Daimler Benz. I have personally used only Castrol for many years and so did my father.

However, I am impressed with the information and stats provided with Quantum Blue, and I am tempted to try it myself.

I have heard a lot about Royal Purple also. Does he have any stats or info testing that brand?

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Here is a lab test of an engine running Royal Purple that I got from BNDAutomotive. Below is his comments.

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I have a sample from a WRX that ran RP.

Too much MOLY!! Too much Magnesium!

Should not have any Lead in 6,500 miles. Look at our oils 11,000 and 12,000 miles ZERO LEAD which is bearing.

Moly produces acids and it also over time turns into grinding powder breaking down in the oil. We donít have any of that!
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Re: First Oil Change

If you want to learn about oil, or search many UOAs on many different brands (except Blue Quantum -- no one ever heard of them), I'd highly recommend BITOG (Bob is the Oil Guy) website. There's over 39K geeks on there, and you'll learn more than you want to know. Of course they all have "opinions" as well
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Old 02-08-2012, 10:37 PM
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If you want to learn about oil, or search many UOAs on many different brands (except Blue Quantum -- no one ever heard of them), I'd highly recommend BITOG (Bob is the Oil Guy) website. There's over 39K geeks on there, and you'll learn more than you want to know. Of course they all have "opinions" as well
I agree, that website is a very good site, especially when it comes to oil that can be store bought. Lots of useful info about filters and oil.


Another product to note, that most people should know is Amsoil. Downfall as with Quantum Blue is its really only available online however Amsoil is pretty reasonable, and is rated pretty high too. They make OE, XL and SSO. SSO is good for 15k-25k or one year, however the XL can safely go 7k and is cheaper thus if you want to stick to the grand cherokee recommendations of every 6 months, XL is a money saving choice.
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Re: First Oil Change

XL is a grade III base stock iirc, as is OE. SSO and euro amsoils are grade IV.

I just don't quite buy the FI ticking noise can be treated with different gas. Modern aluminum head engines with modular FI (individual solenoids at each cylinder) tick. My LS7 does, my hemi 5.7 does. They both run fine. Seriously, all 5w-20 oil is going to basically "look" the same to an engine, especially when just changed or regularly changed. You seriously expect us to believe your oil makes the engine quieter? If it does, I don't want it as it must be significantly different than OEM oil.

Why do new oil makers feel the need to have their oil a neat color? How bout:

chartreuss juice... or
pinky drinky...
yellow jello (sludges too quickly)...

No really, I'm sure quantum blue is fine oil. I'm sure it fights significant wear just like other oils available.
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XL is a grade III base stock iirc, as is OE. SSO and euro amsoils are grade IV.

I just don't quite buy the FI ticking noise can be treated with different gas. Modern aluminum head engines with modular FI (individual solenoids at each cylinder) tick. My LS7 does, my hemi 5.7 does. They both run fine. Seriously, all 5w-20 oil is going to basically "look" the same to an engine, especially when just changed or regularly changed. You seriously expect us to believe your oil makes the engine quieter? If it does, I don't want it as it must be significantly different than OEM oil.

Why do new oil makers feel the need to have their oil a neat color? How bout:

chartreuss juice... or
pinky drinky...
yellow jello (sludges too quickly)...

No really, I'm sure quantum blue is fine oil. I'm sure it fights significant wear just like other oils available.

Yea Ive noticed SSO is a group IV but its also not API certified because supposedly amsoil doesn't want to pay to get it done, then be unable to change/alter the formula without having to re-certify it. So XL is the best we can get if you want to play by the book and make sure its API and chrysler spec. Just a FYI, Mobil 1 is no longer chrylser spec, that is because chrysler spec is old, and Mobil 1 claims.. outdated.
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Re: First Oil Change

Quantum Blue is about $54/gallon if you buy 3 gallons. I agree that it will probably provide superiour protection (the numbers don't lie) and last longer than other oils, but I am not comfortable running any kind of oil 10,000 miles in an engine. To me, the cost outweights the benefits. Castrol Synthetic has always been good to me, and I'll probably stick with that and perform an oil change every 5000 miles, like always. If I do this, I fully expect the engine to last at least 200,000 miles, which is longer than I will keep the car.

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Quantum Blue is about $54/gallon if you buy 3 gallons. I agree that it will probably provide superiour protection (the numbers don't lie) and last longer than other oils, but I am not comfortable running any kind of oil 10,000 miles in an engine. To me, the cost outweights the benefits. Castrol Synthetic has always been good to me, and I'll probably stick with that and perform an oil change every 5000 miles, like always. If I do this, I fully expect the engine to last at least 200,000 miles, which is longer than I will keep the car.

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I think any oil off the shelf that is rated highly, Amsoil, Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil Platinum will get the job done efficiently. Its not like any of them in the lab tests are hurting the engine. It comes down to which will help the motor last longer for people planning to keep the vehicle and who maybe don't have a lifetime warranty. I think I am going to try Amsoil, I have always run Mobil 1, and might continue to run it as its a good oil too and readily available at costco or walmart. One thing I read is Mobil 1 about a year or two ago took the formula which used to be the regular mobil 1, made it mobil 1 extended performance, and then made the current mobil 1 synthetic were used to today without telling anyone. I think the 5,000 mile rule is safe, but I know many oils can go significantly longer, especially extended drain intervals, such as mobil 1 extended performance and amsoil Signature series line.

If you want to run your oil longer and are not confident in the castrol, after 5,000 miles, change your oil and send in a sample. Make sure you get the ADVANCED MOBILE ANALYSIS as it will include a TBN test. TBN will show how much is left before its no longer effective. The oil analysis will also recommend how much longer you can safely run it under similar circumstances. Blackstone and PolarisLabs are the two largest companies, people recommend Polaris on BITOG for better accuracy and are a little cheaper too.

http://www.polarislabs.com/
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I am happy with Mobil 1, but that's just me.
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Seriously, I'm sort of an oil geek (used blackstone a few times), but if your car is 10 years old with 200,000 miles on it and you treated it right and the engine brakes, don't blame the oil. Blame the metallurgy, or father time, or fate, or engine builder... because I'm no expert, but I've seen metal fatigue, and no surface oil will prevent it.

Changing oil is like taking a multivitamin daily, it will help you prevent some preventable illnesses, but you ain't gunna live forever by taking one.
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Re: First Oil Change

I know everybody has their favorite oil and all have their opinion which is best for the engine but.... at my job we treat our company vehicles pretty bad and they rarely get serviced when they are supposed to. When we change oil it is usually at whatever quicklube place we are near at the time and it is usually "store brand" oil and cheap filters. We usually drive our trucks to the 200k mark and never have engine issues because of brand or type of oil. Wish the same could be said for the trannies, transfer case, diffs, etc.
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