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Re: Got demolished by a Ford Explorer Sport

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I could've had either of those suvs and actually took rhem for test drives. I didnt like the x5m at all.....styling is not my style. The cayenne tt I liked the exterior styling...but the interior didnt impress me at all. Im a tall guy...and I could never find a comfortable spot or setting. The interior seemed a little dated imho with the hundreds of buttons. I also looked at the gtr's...but they were totally impractical for a family man. So I purchased 2 SRT Jeeps in the last 9 months. I also have a jku rubicon 10a if I wanna go offroad.
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oh yeah,...I can get a ford pinto for $500 and drop a 302 and run 10's....lololol
why buy a ferrari for couple hundred grand when you can buy a pinto and drop a 302

Well then there is your answer to the question, because he wants the Pinto, or in your case Jeep, even though it is inferior.
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Old 10-12-2013, 01:57 PM
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Then I would like to see them, but to make it fair they must be from a new car professional testers not some video of a car at a track that could be modified already, because we all know how a new 5.0 responds to mods.
Irish,

Just for the record, only the Cayenne Turbo beats the SRT. I have driven the Cayenne GTS and I can tell you it is not faster than the 14 SRT even if you don't use launch control. I believe there are a number of reputable testers who have verified this.
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Just for the record, only the Cayenne Turbo beats the SRT. I have driven the Cayenne GTS and I can tell you it is not faster than the 14 SRT even if you don't use launch control. I believe there are a number of reputable testers who have verified this.
I think everything in that class beats the SRT and not to mention on the road course where the Jeep falls short. With the following specs Merc vs the Jeep the mercedes has more HP/torque and still only runs in the high 12's so how would a stock SRT run the same?

2013 Mercedes ML63
518 HP/516 torque
1st gear 4.38
5238 weight

2014 Grand Cherokee SRT
470 HP/465 torque
1st gear 4.70
5150 weight
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I think everything in that class beats the SRT and not to mention on the road course where the Jeep fell short. With the following specs vs the Jeep the mercedes has more HP/torque and still only runs in the high 12's so how would a stock SRT run the same? 2013 Mercedes ML63 518 HP/516 torque 1st gear 4.38 5238 weight 2014 Grand Cherokee SRT 470 HP/465 torque 1st gear 4.70 5150 weight
You are obviously very well informed considering a 2013 SRT8 is not even close to the same vehicle. I hate to tell you but the 7 tronic is a dog in comparison to the new ZF transmission....

If you are going to post a video, why don't you post a video comparing the vehicle we are talking about?
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You are obviously very well informed considering a 2013 SRT8 is not even close to the same vehicle. I hate to tell you but the 7 tronic is a dog in comparison to the new ZF transmission....

If you are going to post a video, why don't you post a video comparing the vehicle we are talking about?
Not even close, the transmission is the only difference and I quoted the the ratio of 1st gear for people like you.

So tell me this, did you read the specs? and if so you still think a SRT will run in the high 12's even though that is all the Merc did with 48 more HP and 51 more torque over the Jeep . Boy that must be a real special transmission in the '14 SRT.

I urge you to post some good links for the '14 running better than the new ML63.
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Not even close, the transmission is the only difference and I quoted the the ratio of 1st gear for people like you. So tell me this, did you read the specs? and if so you still think a SRT will run in the high 12's even though that is all the Merc did with 48 more HP and 51 more torque over the Jeep . Boy that must be a real special transmission in the '14 SRT. I urge you to post some good links for the '14 running better than the new ML63.
I never said anything about the ML63, I only made a comment about the Cayenne..... Sure I have noting to post about it but I didn't say I did. You are asking everyone here to prove you wrong but you are having difficulty even proving your own point by posting comparisons of cars that are not close comparisons to Scott's vehicle.

I never said that the ML63 is slower than the SRT but on the other hand from a many time Mercedes owner I would never buy one again. I have included a very non professional and completely irrelevant video to go along with the theme of yours but at least it is comparing a 2014 SRT (no 8 in 2014) and it shows just how close it is for the price of an extra car.

But you are correct, totally made up and not reproducible by anyone.... We are all insane and that is why we buy Jeeps

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I never said anything about the ML63, I only made a comment about the Cayenne..... Sure I have noting to post about it but I didn't say I did. You are asking everyone here to prove you wrong but you are having difficulty even proving your own point by posting comparisons of cars that are not close comparisons to Scott's vehicle.

I never said that the ML63 is slower than the SRT but on the other hand from a many time Mercedes owner I would never buy one again. I have included a very non professional and completely irrelevant video to go along with the theme of yours but at least it is comparing a 2014 SRT (no 8 in 2014) and it shows just how close it is for the price of an extra car.

But you are correct, totally made up and not reproducible by anyone.... We are all insane and that is why we buy Jeeps

2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT vs BMW X5 M vs Porsche Cayenne GTS 0-60 MPH Mashup Review - YouTube
This will be my last reply to this post.

The point was made earlier here that the Explorer was a great bang for the buck and when tuned will outrun a SRT on a straight track, then replies were made that you can make a $500 car run 10's then references of Pinto vs Lambos etc. So I posted links to expensive competitors for the SRT and showed that for the extra money they perform better just like the Explorer is out performed by the SRT since it is much more money.

The last video was to show what HP it takes to run in the high 12's and that the SRT can't run those time stock if that is all the Merc ran and thought it was a perfect example sine the Jeep and the Merc share the same platform. I wasn't trying to prove how much better the Merc is, I apologize if I came off that way.
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Your theory that it takes a certain hp to run a certain time is very flawed and not even close to reality.
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Irish,

Thank you for your post, I understand the reasons why you said what you did. I also know why Scott likely chose what he did. One of those reasons would certainly be value and the reason I posted the TFL review. That for the price of a Subaru, extra that the GTS Cayenne was really not much faster (at least in the 0 to 60)

I only chime in because much of the vehicle purchasing discussion is about personal preference and no one is wrong in that. Pintos aside the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT is excellent value for the money and still on a very reputable platform. I get to drive a lot of cool stuff in what I do and I encourage you to try the 2014 SRT, you will be surprised!

Thank you for your comment sir,
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Your theory that it takes a certain hp to run a certain time is very flawed and not even close to reality.
Can you enlighten us a little on that? In top of it the Mercedes, BMW and Porsche all use Turbos. They will eat up a N/A engine of the same HP. The torque curve from a turbo is as flat as Kansas. They all cost a great deal more than the SRT though. What's interesting is that the new ML and X5 use Turbo V8's in their standard models as well. Both run in the 13's with ease. A small tune for around $800 will have them running down a SRT or their big brothers.
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Gtrs ate soooo nasty he was playing with me hit around 120 then he just stomped and left me like I was a honda civic.
LOL! Ya, my GTR is a low 10 second 1/4 mile car. Not much out there would be able to keep up.

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Some of us have families plus need the utility of the GC...but want a very well performing vehicles in any weather conditions. I have the jku rubicon for offroad. ..why would I take a gc offroad? The jku is vastly superior offroad.
I noticed you mentioned the GTR. You'd be surprised at how big the trunk is! haha, it is a great all weather sports car but of course limited passenger/cargo space.

I hear you on the compromise between on-road and using different vehicles. My dilemma that led me to the JGC Diesel is that I like to do long drives and trips and then go-off roading and the back trails on a whim..

I recently got back from a trip to lower Alabama from North Carolina in my JKU Rubicon and I realised just how bad that vehicle is on the highway. I don't know if it's just because I am getting older, but those flat surfaces with associated wind noise, loud off-road tires, solid axles with massive drift and wobble having to always keep your hand on the wheel or it's all over the road.

The JKUR is great for local off-roading. Take the top off, spend an afternoon on the rocks its awesome. But drive a few states away on a trip, very uncomfortable and it doesn't like to drive fast (I drive 80-85+ on the highway). Plus the abysmal gas mileage.

So I decided to sell it as I don't spend much time on very difficult rocks and stuff. My modified WK2 chipped Diesel should be able to do 80-90% of what my modified JKUR can do off-road, and like 5x more comfortable/better on highway/technology and 2x gas mileage.

For me the JKUR only checks two blocks: Great off-road and good cargo.

Chipped modified WK2 Diesel checks off many: Good off-road, good cargo, good MPG, good trip vehicle, "peppy" speed wise, great interior, good technology

GTR: super fast + AWD all weather speed, looks great

SRT WK2: Good cargo, Good trip vehicle, fast, great interior, good technology, looks nice

SRT is awesome, but if I took it on a long trip I'd be limited to street and light trails, plus the gas mileage would be eek!

Actually, if they kept some of the off-road features on the SRT I would have considered it.
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So now we went from Explorer Sport to SRT8 vs. the world? Nice.
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