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and when the new corvette with a 6.2 v8 can get over 30 highway, i say bring on the v8's . lol
Vettes are slippery, light, and have a tall top gear. That same motor in a pickup won't deliver 18-20 unless you want to hyper-mile and piss everyone else off!

I am all for v8's and anyone buying whatever they want. Our government empowered by a bunch of fanatical idiots are taking that choice away unfortunately.

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I am all for v8's and anyone buying whatever they want. Our government empowered by a bunch of fanatical idiots are taking that choice away unfortunately.

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No...high gas prices and demand for more fuel effcient vehicles is sapping V8 sales.

I've owned both V8s and smaller displacement turbocharged vehicles, and what I've learned over the years is V8s are only good for draining your wallet faster, towing, and going fast in a straight line.
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No...high gas prices and demand for more fuel effcient vehicles is sapping V8 sales.
No sir. Compliance with EPA fleet mileage requirements are the primary push for manufacturers to produce more efficient cars. Enough customers have shown that they are willing to pay for the larger motors. I could afford to pay $8 a gallon and still drive the same miles if I wanted....I just don't want to....but some do. Market forces account for some of the reasons v8's are declining but EPA requirements are the last nail in the coffin. Thanks to technology, it hasn't happened yet....but times are changing and the EPA requirements are slowly choking out the petro performance options. And we can thank the bike riding socialist urbanites for that. To deny that agenda is at work is to place one's head firmly in the sand.

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No sir. Compliance with EPA fleet mileage requirements are the primary push for manufacturers to produce more efficient cars. Enough customers have shown that they are willing to pay for the larger motors. I could afford to pay $8 a gallon and still drive the same miles if I wanted....I just don't want to....but some do. Market forces account for some of the reasons v8's are declining but EPA requirements are the last nail in the coffin. Thanks to technology, it hasn't happened yet....but times are changing and the EPA requirements are slowly choking out the petro performance options. And we can thank the bike riding socialist urbanites for that. To deny that agenda is at work is to place one's head firmly in the sand. bd

very valid points but cafe laws say "fleet average" and most modern v8's are putting down mpg that in the past a 4 banger was luckily to achieve due to new tech like direct injection, and "displacement on demand" that can de-activate half of the engine. i wouldn't even put it past them to start creating hybrid v8's .
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FYI...the OPOC motor may be the future of internal combustion engines. It has huge advantages.

http://www.ecomotors.com/

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No sir. Compliance with EPA fleet mileage requirements are the primary push for manufacturers to produce more efficient cars. Enough customers have shown that they are willing to pay for the larger motors. I could afford to pay $8 a gallon and still drive the same miles if I wanted....I just don't want to....but some do. Market forces account for some of the reasons v8's are declining but EPA requirements are the last nail in the coffin. Thanks to technology, it hasn't happened yet....but times are changing and the EPA requirements are slowly choking out the petro performance options. And we can thank the bike riding socialist urbanites for that. To deny that agenda is at work is to place one's head firmly in the sand.

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You watch too much Fox News sir...



Must be nice to be you because the average person on the street won't and can't pay $8.00 for a gallon of gasoline, let alone $4.00...the Market is the main driver here and has been for years since the creep up of gas prices these last 5 years, plain and simple. Just look at the sales numbers for V8 Mustangs and Cameros...they fell off a cliff this year.

Sure the increased CAFE standards and more rigorous emmision standards have helped in the demise of the V8, but the main driver for more fuel effcient vehicles stems from increased gas prices...caused by increased world demand...especially from China. I for one am all for this country being weened off of fossil fuels someday ("Drill Baby Drill" is a myth), and I also choose not to live in a polluted enviroment...like China.

And as an avid mountain bike rider, I resent that last remark of yours, and choose not to breath the emmisions from antiquated V8s!

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Must be nice to be you because the average person on the street won't and can't pay $8.00 for a gallon of gasoline, let alone $4.00...the Market is the main driver here and has been for years since the creep up of gas prices these last 5 years, plain and simple. Just look at the sales numbers for V8 Mustangs and Cameros...they fell off a cliff this year.

Sure the increased CAFE standards and more rigorous emmision standards have helped in the demise of the V8, but the main driver for more fuel effcient vehicles stems from increased gas prices...caused by increased world demand...especially from China. I for one am all for this country being weened off of fossil fuels someday ("Drill Baby Drill" is a myth), and I also choose not to live in a polluted enviroment...like China.

And as an avid mountain bike rider, I resent that last remark of yours, and choose not to breath the emmisions from antiquated V8s!

So you DO want to decide what I drive then? Would you like to tell me what to think and believe? I think these things are best left to the free market of ideas and commerce. If more people WANT to walk, ride bikes, etc..the market will react accordingly. I have no problem with anyone acting according to their own conscience...just don't act to impede mine.

As far as what news I watch....that mind numbing propaganda offered by the major networks is worthless. I love freedom....freedom to think and reason, fail, succeed, believe, doubt....when that's gone, what is left? Think, use your common sense people!

EDIT: Btw...isn't the Pentastar mileage awesome for a 5000 lb vehicle? I'm done hijacking this thread! Also, my apologies to recreational bike riders. I don't think most of you want to outlaw cars or you wouldn't be on this forum. Just as a matter of perspective, the Grand Cherokee v6 is considered an excessive and wasteful SUV by many so please don't feel like you are saving the earth with it!

I am buying the CRD to "do my part"...Lol.

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One thing I just noticed on our recent trip to Anaheim from San Diego is that cruise control helped a lot with getting a higher mpg. I think it was due to the cruise control being able to precisely modulate the throttle to achieve the desired speed.

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You can do even better with your right foot, but it does take a bit of practice, and traffic such that you can allow the distances to grow and close a bit in order to keep the transmission from downshifting. The cruise control will downshift to keep a speed and you can see your instantaneous mileage go down. If you try to maintain a constant distance with your foot same thing happens. If you let the gap grow a bit and then carefully catch up on more level ground [or get lucky with a downhill] you can always beat cruise control.

Too bad there isn't a big 4 cylinder mode indicator on the instrument panel--say turning the speedometer green when running in MDS mode, amber for all 8 cylinders, and dark amber or red for the fun times with the Hemi.
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I am sure the diesel would be more awesome - fuel efficiency wise - BUT that car would have been 400 lbs heavier and 4000 $ more expensive. Only negatives. And in Chicagoland, this summer diesel pushed 3.90-4.00 whereas gasoline was never higher. Now, heading into winter, gasoline will continue to drop and the diesel to cost more. The math was just not in favor of the diesel, short term or long term and I would buy the V6 again, even now.

I've done true off-roading with the car (probably I am the only idiot in North America who willingly put scratches on his $45,000 rig after just 4 months, going through the bushes) and I've done true long distance driving (4000 miles round trip out west). The V6 impressed me with the fuel efficiency, the willingness to accelerate the tank and its efforts off-roading. If towing is not needed or ocassional, I remain of the opinion that the V6 is the better choice for an all-rounder.

That being said, I still think Jeep should get rid of the 5.7 V8 and just supercharge the V6. I would probably buy that one. Or...in time, supercharge it myself.
Sadly, in the not too distant future, the Hemi may disappear or be totally neutered.

I have no idea what it would take to convert the V8 to direct injection which tends to be good for mileage and performance.

In the meantime, I'll thank you to keep your cotton pickin hands off mine. Its the first vehicle that can truly pass the "I-70 Test" since a 73 Porsche and a 66 427 Impala.

[I-70 test consists of driving west out of Denver on I-70. If you've done it in a smaller engined vehicle, no explanation necessary]
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Sadly, in the not too distant future, the Hemi may disappear or be totally neutered. I have no idea what it would take to convert the V8 to direct injection which tends to be good for mileage and performance. In the meantime, I'll thank you to keep your cotton pickin hands off mine. Its the first vehicle that can truly pass the "I-70 Test" since a 73 Porsche and a 66 427 Impala. [I-70 test consists of driving west out of Denver on I-70. If you've done it in a smaller engined vehicle, no explanation necessary]
I70 and I25 both your car needs to be able to get to 85 in a hurry.... true story or not... lol
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I just had my first oil change done at the dealership (freebie), and I paid the extra $15 to get synthetic instead of conventional oil. Pennzoil was the stuff they used.

Unfortunatly I've seen my mileage drop 1 to 2 mpg...I'm wondering if they put the right weight oil in? 5w30 is what the 2014 V6 calls for, right?

5w20 in the Owners Manual...


Dunno about your dealer, mine uses Pennzoil synth.

The OM doesn't specify brand, but the User Guide specs Shell Helix or Pennzoil Ultra
If 5w30 was used, that would seem highly odd that it could affect mileage that much, but it would mean your dealer is a doofus or worse.

Possibly your local gasoline area is cutting over to winter blend?
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