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Re: Is there anyway to eliminate the Eco-MDS Function?

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Read the whole TSB. The only issue that is listed as a fix for that TSB is for the 2014s and is to correct

**ECO mode will not retain settings. If ECO mode is turned off, it will turn back on
after the ignition is cycled.**
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Eco mode turned off is a "condition" when shift quality does not meet expectations. The fix was to improve the shift quality under those conditions by reprogramming the TCM.

If you read the TSB for the ECO button default, the fix was to reprogram the BCM. It ends by testing that the ECO mode stays off after restart. That one is for MY15.

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Re: Is there anyway to eliminate the Eco-MDS Function?

Soley on the ECO point read my reply in another thread:

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Agreed, very odd. The TSB you reference is the old MY14 one (only V6) to the updated one that also includes the Diesel http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_2100415.pdf. But it says the same thing and as the update it says the changes are marked with ** and the only thing marked as such is the ECO default thing so naturally that is what the 21-004-15 TSB is about, right?

Same thing for the MY14 V8 one, http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_2100315.pdf. Hmmm

This is the main MY15 one that directly talks to ECO (only, nothing else) not keeping your preference on ALL MY15 non-SRT built 8/14/14 and before:

TSB 08-098-14 dated November 13, 2014

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_0809814.pdf

SUBJECT:
Fuel Saver Indicator - Economizer (ECO) Mode Defaults To ON And Will Not Retain The Customer Preference
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves reconfiguring the vehicle to allow for customer preference setting of ECO mode operation.
MODELS:
2015 (WK) Jeep Grand Cherokee
NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles built on or before August 14, 2014 (MDH 0814XX) equipped with 3.0L V6 ECO Diesel Engine (sales code EXF) or 3.0L V6 24V VVT Engine (sales code EHD) or 3.6L V6 24V VVT Engine (sales code ERB) or 5.7L V8 MDS VVT Engine (sales code EZH).
NOTE: Does NOT apply to 6.4L V8 SRT HEMI MDS Engine (sales code ESG).
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
The customer may describe the ECO button mode indicator lamp defaults to "ON" status and won’t retain the customer’s preference.

So here are my observations. The TSB for MY15 seems to work. So folks built August 15 and later should be able to default ECO OFF without the TSB and those MY15’s built earlier need the TSB, potentially, but will be able to default ECO OFF after applying it.

It is my guess that they intended for all MY14’s to be able to default ECO OFF after the TSB because most of the tranny complaints are from the clunk/bang/jerk behavior with ECO ON, I think. So they are probably thinking letting people run with ECO OFF might decrease complaints? Plausible?

Obviously the MY14 TSB hasn’t worked for anyone, right? I think I know why. Here are the tech steps for performing this TSB on MY14, keep in mind this revised TSB is supposedly only meant to address ** which is just the ECO default choice thing:

DIAGNOSIS:
Using a Scan Tool (wiTECH) with the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures available in TechCONNECT, verify all vehicle systems are functioning as designed. If DTCs or symptom conditions, other than the ones listed above are present, record the issues on the repair order and repair as necessary before proceeding further with this bulletin. If the customer describes the symptom/condition listed above, perform the Repair Procedure.
REPAIR PROCEDURE:
NOTE: Install a battery charger to ensure battery voltage does not drop below 13.2 volts. Do not allow the charging voltage to climb above 13.5 volts during the flash process.
NOTE: If this flash process is interrupted/aborted, the flash should be restarted.
1. Reprogram the TCM with the latest available software. Detailed instructions for flashing control modules using the wiTECH Diagnostic Application are available by selecting the “HELP” tab on the upper portion of the wiTECH window, then “HELP CONTENTS.” This will open the Welcome to wiTECH Help screen where help topics can be selected.
2. Clear any DTCs that may have been set in other modules due to reprogramming. The wiTECH application will automatically present all DTCs after the flash and allow the tech to clear them.
NOTE: Do not clear the adaptation memory cells in the TCM’s memory. This action may cause the transmission to not shift smoothly until the adaptation memory cells are re-learned.
Aaannnd, here are the instructions for the MY15 TSB that ever was only to address the ECO default choice thing:

DIAGNOSIS:
Using a Scan Tool (wiTECH) with the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures available in TechCONNECT, verify no DTCs are set. If DTCs are present, record them on the repair order and repair as necessary before proceeding further with this bulletin. If the customer describes the symptom, perform the Repair Procedure.
REPAIR PROCEDURE:
1. Using wiTECH, reconfigure the vehicle. This routine is available under the 'Diagnostic
Procedures' tab found on the home, 'Vehicle View', page of wiTECH, select Restore Vehicle Configuration.
2. Using wiTECH, clear any DTCs which may have been set during the reconfiguration.
3. Remove wiTECH after procedure is complete.
4. Place the transmission in PARK.
5. Turn the ignition off.
6. Turn the ignition on.
7. Press and release the ECO button to turn the mode indicator lamp off. ECO button is located in the center stack below the radio.
8. Turn the ignition off.
9. Turn the ignition on and verify that the ECO button mode indicator lamp remained off.

So how come these MY15 instructions that clearly are focused on the ECO default choice are nowhere to be found in the MY14 TSB supposedly addressing only the same thing? Answer, when they updated the TSB and purposely added **ECO dafault fix they forgot? to include them/change the old instructions for trans shift enhancement TSB that preceded the **ECO addition. So the dealers are just performing the old instructions with no hope of touching the ECO default. If they are re-flashing a TCM how do they hope to affect a console switch?

Is it as simple as laying the MY15 TSB instructions on the service advisor for our MY14’s? I wanna know ‘cuz I hate ECO……
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Re: Is there anyway to eliminate the Eco-MDS Function?

Ok I think I understand what you are saying now Bill. Thank you.

So the only purpose of this TSB was to improve shifting quality while in ECO mode

why in the hell they would word it like this is completely asinine but consider the source of the document I guess. how about calling the line item "shift improvements while in eco mode" and avoid confusing nearly everyone that reads it including the dealers.

**ECO mode will not retain settings. If ECO mode is turned off, it will turn back on
after the ignition is cycled.**



This bulletin is supplied as technical information only and is not an authorization for repair. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system,
or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, or otherwise, without written permission of Chrysler Group LLC.
THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES SERVICE BULLETIN 21-002-14, AND 21-004-14
DATED FEBRUARY 14, 2014 WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES.
ALL REVISIONS ARE HIGHLIGHTED WITH **ASTERISKS** AND INCLUDE
ADDITIONAL SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS AND LABOR OPS.
HELP USING THE wiTECH DIAGNOSTIC APPLICATION FOR FLASHING AN ECU IS
AVAILABLE BY SELECTING “HELP” THEN “HELP CONTENTS” AT THE TOP OF
THE wiTECH DIAGNOSTIC APPLICATION WINDOW.
THE wiTECH SOFTWARE LEVEL MUST BE AT **15.02** OR HIGHER TO PERFORM
THIS PROCEDURE.
SUBJECT:
Flash: 8HP70 Transmission Shift Enhancements
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves reprogramming the Transmission Control Module (TCM) with the
latest available software.
MODELS:
2014 (WK) Jeep Grand Cherokee
2014 (WD) Dodge Durango
NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with a 5.7L engine (Sales Codes
EZH) and an 8HP70 automatic transmission (sales code DFD).
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
A small number of customers may indicate that the transmission shift quality may not meet
their expectations under the following conditions. These concerns are separated by
vehicle.


NUMBER:
21-003-15


GROUP:


Transmission and

Transfer Case
DATE:


January 24, 2015

WK Vehicles
·


**ECO mode will not retain settings. If ECO mode is turned off, it will turn back on

after the ignition is cycled.**
·


Less than desired upshift quality in normal drive mode under light/medium

acceleration.
·


Less than desired Power-on downshift quality (i.e. passing).

·


Less than desired powertrain performance while driving at higher altitudes, on steep

grades, or during high speed driving.
·


Less than desired tip in/out acceleration during torque converter clutch operation.

·


Less than desired engagement quality in 4x4 high or 4x4 low range.

WD Vehicles
·


**ECO mode will not retain settings. If ECO mode is turned off, it will turn back on

after the ignition is cycled.**
·


Less than desired engagement quality in 4x4 high or 4x4 low range.

DIAGNOSIS:
Using a Scan Tool (wiTECH) with the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures available in
TechCONNECT, verify all vehicle systems are functioning as designed. If DTCs or
symptom conditions, other than the ones listed above are present, record the issues on the
repair order and repair as necessary before proceeding further with this bulletin.
If the customer describes the symptom/condition listed above, perform the Repair
Procedure.
REPAIR PROCEDURE:
NOTE: Install a battery charger to ensure battery voltage does not drop below 13.2
volts. Do not allow the charging voltage to climb above 13.5 volts during the
flash process.
NOTE: If this flash process is interrupted/aborted, the flash should be restarted.
1. Reprogram the TCM with the latest available software. Detailed instructions for
flashing control modules using the wiTECH Diagnostic Application are available by
selecting the “HELP” tab on the upper portion of the wiTECH window, then “HELP
CONTENTS.” This will open the Welcome to wiTECH Help screen where help topics
can be selected.
2. Clear any DTCs that may have been set in other modules due to reprogramming. The
wiTECH application will automatically present all DTCs after the flash and allow the
tech to clear them.
NOTE: Do not clear the adaptation memory cells in the TCM’s memory. This action
may cause the transmission to not shift smoothly until the adaptation
memory cells are re-learned.
21-003-15 -2-
POLICY:
Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.
TIME ALLOWANCE:
Labor Operation
No:
Description Skill Category Amount
**18-19-05-A4** Module, Transmission Control (TCM) -
Reprogram
(0 - Introduction)
2- Automatic
Transmission
0.2 Hrs.
NOTE: The expected completion time for the flash download portion of this
procedure is approximately 3 minutes. Actual flash download times may be
affected by vehicle connection and network capabilities.
FAILURE CODE:
FM Flash Module


-3- 21-003-15
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Re: Is there anyway to eliminate the Eco-MDS Function?

SIlvermax04, you actually missed the point of my post....re-read the end....
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Re: Is there anyway to eliminate the Eco-MDS Function?

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SIlvermax04, you actually missed the point of my post....re-read the end....
I didn't actually see your post I think I was typing and didn't see until after I replied. my response was to what Bill had written above that, I should have quoted it. I think Bill is right the TSB was only to improve shift quality of the 14s while in eco mode regardless of the idiotic way it was worded.
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I didn't actually see your post I think I was typing and didn't see until after I replied. my response was to what Bill had written above that, I should have quoted it. I think Bill is right it was only to improve shift quality of the 14s while in eco mode regardless of the idiotic way it was worded.
the only problem with that theory is that TSB was released specifically with only the ECO as a change ** so it was the only change from previous...that shift enhancement is a holdover from the previous TSB it replaced...
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the only problem with that theory is that TSB was released specifically with only the ECO as a change ** so it was the only change from previous...that shift enhancement is a holdover from the previous TSB it replaced...
ECO mode on is just one more condition that makes a symptom appear. It was newly added to the list of conditions. The symptom is unsatisfactory shifting, and that is what the TSB addresses. One problem, one fix ... update the TCM.

The ECO button is controlled by the BCM. There are no mention in this TSB of updating the BCM.

This was beaten to death when the update for the early MY15s came out. After much handwringing, tears, and kicking the dog it was determined that the MY14 was not destined to have an ECO off default. It was one of the many annoying little things that had me step away from Jeep and skip a model year.


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the only problem with that theory is that TSB was released specifically with only the ECO as a change ** so it was the only change from previous...that shift enhancement is a holdover from the previous TSB it replaced...
yes I agree it was the only change but read the first part of what it intends to fix which is before the line items. It is to improve shifting under the listed circumstances. The one circumstance they added was shifting improvements if the eco button doesn't stay off and comes back on. or in normal human terms it is "shift improvements while in eco mode" The idiotic way they worded it just serves to confuse nearly everyone including the dealers. so the 14s got an improvement in eco mode shifting I guess that is in place of the actual eco button retaining the settings that the 15 has.

Does make sense now that I think about it as I remember commenting after I had the flash that it didn't fix the button not staying off but I did notice it wasn't doing the low speed lugging that it did occasionally prior to the flash. MDS doesn't seem to cut on as prematurely as it used to or maybe the up shifting was delayed slightly.
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yes I agree it was the only change but read the first part of what it intends to fix which is before the line items. It is to improve shifting under the listed circumstances. The one circumstance they added was shifting improvements if the eco button doesn't stay off and comes back on. or in normal human terms it is "shift improvements while in eco mode" The idiotic way they worded it just serves to confuse nearly everyone including the dealers. so the 14s got an improvement in eco mode shifting I guess that is in place of the actual eco button retaining the settings that the 15 has.

Does make sense now that I think about it as I remember commenting after I had the flash that it didn't fix the button not staying off but I did notice it wasn't doing the low speed lugging that it did occasionally prior to the flash. MDS doesn't seem to cut on as prematurely as it used to or maybe the up shifting was delayed slightly.
But only changes are ** rest is carryover
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But only changes are ** rest is carryover
Agree but read into it. ** is a shift enhancement when the eco button fails to stay off and comes back on. Or in other words a shift enhancement when when you are operating in eco mode. The way they wrote ** is just asinine and confusing
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Agree but read into it. ** is a shift enhancement when the eco button fails to stay off and comes back on. Or in other words a shift enhancement when when you are operating in eco mode. The way they wrote ** is just asinine and confusing
Eh, my little pea brain says the **ECO addition is listed as its own separate bullet and is not a condition per se
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Eh, my little pea brain says the **ECO addition is listed as its own separate bullet and is not a condition per se
That is how i and i think most people read it at first also but unfortunately it does not look like that is how it was intended. Blame the grammer wizzards writing the things for the confusion
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