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Old 08-03-2012, 04:56 PM
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Re: Jeep GC 3.6 or Ford Explorer 3.5?

We heavily considered the Explorer before we bought the Jeep. I've had a lot of Fords, and am considerably more comfortable with a Ford than a Chrysler.

That said, the vehicles are really not comparable. The Explorer is HUGE, much larger than the Jeep. Technology is MUCH better in the Explorer, but its car based and it shows, drives like a big minivan. Lots of blind spots too...

Its also REALLY expensive.

Found nothing appealing about the new Explorer really, other than tech. Certainly not for $50k.
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Re: Jeep GC 3.6 or Ford Explorer 3.5?

$50K is the new price for cars. New Escape peaks out around 37K, Dart maxed out is around 26K. Base price is low but all of the good stuff makes the sticker price jump up pretty fast.
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$50K is the new price for cars. New Escape peaks out around 37K, Dart maxed out is around 26K. Base price is low but all of the good stuff makes the sticker price jump up pretty fast.
Inflation at work. The price of everything has gone up significantly. Part of it is because people demand better materials, better quality, but the workers demand more money, better benefits, etc. The other part is that our currency has become SERIOUSLY devalued, with no signs of reversing that course.

But sadly, $50k is really not that much money for a vehicle anymore. The average new car is $30k nowdays. Used to be $30k got you something very nice, nowdays you're talking about a mid level Camry or Accord.
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Re: Jeep GC 3.6 or Ford Explorer 3.5?

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We heavily considered the Explorer before we bought the Jeep. I've had a lot of Fords, and am considerably more comfortable with a Ford than a Chrysler.

That said, the vehicles are really not comparable. The Explorer is HUGE, much larger than the Jeep. Technology is MUCH better in the Explorer, but its car based and it shows, drives like a big minivan. Lots of blind spots too...

Its also REALLY expensive.

Found nothing appealing about the new Explorer really, other than tech. Certainly not for $50k.


I'm not sure I completely agree with some of your points. First point being the size. You emphasized how the Explorer is huge, but I park next to one at work all the time and to be honest from the outside they almost seem the same dimensionally. I don't see any major size differences whatsoever. Now if I was next to a Tahoe that's another story.
Second point is you state the technology is better. In what case are talking about? If I'm not mistaken it's the Grand Cherokee that has more options available. Adaptive cruise control, bi-xenon leveling HID's with auto high beam, adjustable air suspension etc etc. I'm pretty sure it's the grand cherokee that has the edge in the tech department. And if your referring to that Sync system or whatever it's called, I'm pretty sure besides maybe climate control features that the Jeep nav systems do all the same things.
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:55 AM
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I'm not sure I completely agree with some of your points. First point being the size. You emphasized how the Explorer is huge, but I park next to one at work all the time and to be honest from the outside they almost seem the same dimensionally. I don't see any major size differences whatsoever. Now if I was next to a Tahoe that's another story.
Second point is you state the technology is better. In what case are talking about? If I'm not mistaken it's the Grand Cherokee that has more options available. Adaptive cruise control, bi-xenon leveling HID's with auto high beam, adjustable air suspension etc etc. I'm pretty sure it's the grand cherokee that has the edge in the tech department. And if your referring to that Sync system or whatever it's called, I'm pretty sure besides maybe climate control features that the Jeep nav systems do all the same things.
The Explorer is minorly larger than the Jeep, but it feels much larger. I think it's because the cabin area is much larger (transverse v6 means the engine bay is much smaller), meaning you get 3 rows of seats with only a slightly longer overall vehicle.

The Explorer has all those options on the Jeep except the air suspension (which was a major selling point for me on the Jeep). The MyFordTouch system however, is WORLDS beyond what Jeep has, It's far beyond even the 8.4N system. Like the 8.4N it can adjust A/C and things on th giant screen, but the voice command possibilities are hugely more impressive. Rather than going through endless submenus and getting frustrated with the terrible voice command (730N) you can speak more naturally and it will recognize it. It's much better than the voice recognition in the Jeep. The gauge LCDs also show more information.

Personally, for me the larger screen would have been nice, but the extra stuff that went with it wasn't a big deal to me. The higher quality interior and more rugged feel of the Jeep was a much better fit for me.

EDIT: Explorer also has the seatbelt airbags (that Mercedes is introducing now) for the 2nd row. That's some nice safety tech for families.
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Re: Jeep GC 3.6 or Ford Explorer 3.5?

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The Explorer is minorly larger than the Jeep, but it feels much larger. I think it's because the cabin area is much larger (transverse v6 means the engine bay is much smaller), meaning you get 3 rows of seats with only a slightly longer overall vehicle.

The Explorer has all those options on the Jeep except the air suspension (which was a major selling point for me on the Jeep). The MyFordTouch system however, is WORLDS beyond what Jeep has, It's far beyond even the 8.4N system. Like the 8.4N it can adjust A/C and things on th giant screen, but the voice command possibilities are hugely more impressive. Rather than going through endless submenus and getting frustrated with the terrible voice command (730N) you can speak more naturally and it will recognize it. It's much better than the voice recognition in the Jeep. The gauge LCDs also show more information.

Personally, for me the larger screen would have been nice, but the extra stuff that went with it wasn't a big deal to me. The higher quality interior and more rugged feel of the Jeep was a much better fit for me.

EDIT: Explorer also has the seatbelt airbags (that Mercedes is introducing now) for the 2nd row. That's some nice safety tech for families.

I did not know the Explorer had all the toys the Jeep Overland did. I mean I know it had a good amount of them, but you can get adaptive cruise on it? I see what your saying on size now and that makes sense so thanks for clarifying that. Now, im just curious so if you took a Overland with adaptive cruise/tech package, and a loaded Explorer with all the same options whats the price difference? For example, I paid $39,612 for mt 2012 Overland with adaptive cruise package and its a V6. If I bought the same thing, but the Explorer would could I have expected to pay?

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Old 08-04-2012, 10:35 PM
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Re: Jeep GC 3.6 or Ford Explorer 3.5?

MSRP for a loaded Explorer V6 AWD is $48.6k, about $4k more than a comparable Durango V6 Citadel, and $1k more than a comparable GC Summit. I'd suspect that since demand is so strong for the Explorer vs the Durango, you could get a much better deal on the Durango.

If you got a V6 4x4 Overland w/ ACC for $39.6k, you got a very, VERY good deal. Uncharacteristically good in fact. Average prices paid for the GC is barely below MSRP...
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The Overland for 40 ish, and an explorer for 48, and I didn't like it that's a no brainer to me.
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EDIT: Explorer also has the seatbelt airbags (that Mercedes is introducing now) for the 2nd row. That's some nice safety tech for families.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to more companies offering this, and not just in the back row(s) but also the front row.

I'm also looking forward to when it becomes standard instead of a paid option. In the Explorer you can't get the inflatable belts in the base "Explorer" model, you need the XLT which is about $4-5K MSRP more, and then the inflatable belt option is another $2K more.
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Re: Jeep GC 3.6 or Ford Explorer 3.5?

That's exactly why I didn't even look at Explorers -- and I'm more of a "Ford guy". They are too friggen expensive, and dealers aren't discounting them by 5-$6K. I saw my WK2 for $5500 off (new), and I jumped on it. No regrets.
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Re: Jeep GC 3.6 or Ford Explorer 3.5?

I was also looking between the Explorer and the JGC. The car/van frame is what did it for me. I've had many fords, but the explorer and it's non off-road friendly anything put me off.

QL and QD II on the jeep is impressive offroad. Then on the way home from the trail, I can put it in sport mode and have fun on the highway as well.

I think the only thing impressive about the explorer is the fun technology inside and perhaps the engine that's being put in the new sport version.
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