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Re: Kn kit not good?

Mine has the black plastic tube also. I cant remember the model number either
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Just my $.02 - I would never put a K&N filter on my vehicles. The whole point of the K&N filter is to breathe better, but it comes at the expense of inadequate filtration. It simply does not filter as well, which means that dirt, dust, and silt that passes through the filter ends up in your engine and wears it prematurely. Not worth in in my humble opinion.
Amen, thats just the plain ugly truth about K&N filterchargers. Flow more air...... AND let in more dirt. I've used them for years on many vehicles and bikes. Now I go for high quality free flowing paper filters made by Amsoil or Donaldson. The Volant CAI with the upgraded hi-flow filter is one example of a much better filter than a K&N.

For those non-believers go back to a paper filter and watch how much less dirt is suspended in your oil at the next change, as compaired to the "free flowing" K&N filters.
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Amen, thats just the plain ugly truth about K&N filterchargers. Flow more air...... AND let in more dirt. I've used them for years on many vehicles and bikes. Now I go for high quality free flowing paper filters made by Amsoil or Donaldson. The Volant CAI with the upgraded hi-flow filter is one example of a much better filter than a K&N.

For those non-believers go back to a paper filter and watch how much less dirt is suspended in your oil at the next change, as compaired to the "free flowing" K&N filters.
I based my purchase on many things, noise, noise, and sound.
I went with the K&N (as I have for years without issue, 1st was my '86 SVO Mustang)
K&N's site adresses the issue about dirt and I was good with it.
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23. Some air filter companies tout their high filtration levels in the 99th percentile. Doesn't higher filtration mean a better air filter?

No. The quality of an air filter can only be judged by reviewing all four important characteristics. 1) Restriction while loading with dust; 2) Filtration efficiency as a percentage; 3) Dust holding capacity before the filter needs cleaning or replacement ; and 4) filter life. Any company designing an air filter must make choices about these four characteristics and how their filter will perform in each area. Generally speaking, each characteristic of an air filter has an inverse relationship to at least one of the others, meaning, as filtration efficiency goes up, restriction increases and capacity or service life decreases. So an air filter manufacturer can design an air filter to have ultra high filtration efficiency by compromising the filters restriction, capacity, and/or service life. We judge the quality of an air filter based upon the proper balance of these four essential criteria. Maximizing one at the expense of others sounds more like a marketing goal rather than an engineering goal. So the basic answer to the original question is that higher filtration is not necessarily a good thing when it comes at the expense of restriction, reusability and/or capacity. While the benefits of a filter with 99.9% filtration are unknown, the benefits of low restriction are measurable and clear. Low restriction helps an engine perform more efficiently generating more power and torque.

That would lead a reasonable person to ask what then is a safe level of filtration. This question is literally unanswered. Minimum air filter specifications are generally not called out in vehicle owners' manuals, nor will you find much published information on air filtration requirements from vehicle manufacturers. We have never seen a scientific study concluding what levels of filtration efficiency correspond to various levels of engine wear. Some large air filter companies do not even publish information on the efficiencies of the air filters they manufacture. It is K&N's opinion that both the Fine and Coarse Test Dust mixtures used in air filter testing contain such a high concentration of small particles that even filtration efficiency numbers as low as 90% may provide adequate engine protection. Remember that almost 11% of COARSE test dust is smaller than 5.5 microns (the size of a red blood cell). For a detailed explanation of our testing protocol, click here.

The fact is that an engine is not a pristine environment. Fuel enters after passing through a fuel filter, combines with air which is ignited to explode in a pressurized chamber. The combustion is not 100% efficient and leaves residues behind that must be flushed from the engine. Engines have tolerances or measured gaps between surface areas. While there are few if any studies on engine wear, it would seem reasonable to speculate that particles less than 5.5 microns create little engine wear unless ingested at very high levels of concentration. As support for this theory, consider the filtration levels provided by fuel filters and oil filters that sometimes tout their ability to filter particles above 10 or 20 microns.

If you really want to compare two air filters, you need to know all four characteristics mentioned above. Consumers can then choose what matters most to them. But comparing two air filters with only one piece of information is like saying a bicycle is better than a car based solely on a comparison of mileage. Yes the mileage is better, but a car has a few other benefits (speed, comfort, keeps you dry in wet weather) that just may offset the mileage disadvantage.

We design air filters to provide low restriction throughout the filter's service interval. We seek the best balance between airflow and filtration recognizing they are inversely related. After nearly 40 years in business with millions of air filters sold, we have a track record you can trust and the experience that can only be earned through years of focusing on just one thing. But even our experience is not enough. We operate a fully staffed air filtration lab that operates on a year round basis with two test stands. The lab was designed by Southwest Research and is calibrated regularly to ensure our test results are reliable. This testing is an essential ingredient in verifying our air filters meet our own high standards of excellence. Making a great air filter is no accident and we are confident our air filters provide outstanding engine protection with huge air flow advantages throughout the air filter's service interval. That's why we back up our replacement air filters with both a Million Mile Warranty and our Consumer Protection Pledge.

K&N's air filtration lab tests air filters according to ISO5011 test protocol. The ISO (International Organization for Standardization) is an international organization which establishes standards used by different industries worldwide. The ISO does not establish any standards for an air filter's effectiveness; they establish standards for the testing procedures used to find air filters' capacities and efficiencies only under the fixed and chosen parameters of the test being conducted. In the case of engine air filters, the ISO5011 test ensures consistency in the procedure used to test a filter's initial restriction, initial efficiency, cumulative (full-life) efficiency, and dust holding capacity. Using a standardized test procedure and disclosing the user selected variables ensures the same test can be run anywhere around the world. Some of the requirements of the ISO5011 test procedure are that the temperature of the test lab must be maintained at 23 degrees Celsius +/- 5 degrees Celsius, and the relative humidity of the test lab must be maintained at 55% +/- 15%, for the entire duration of the test. During the test at each weighing stage (when the mass of the filter is found) the humidity can only vary +/- 2%. Also, all test dust which is fed into the air filter must be "found" after the test is completed. That means if 10 grams of test dust is fed to the filter during the test, but only 8 grams of dust is found trapped in the filter after the test, part of the ISO5011 test procedure requires that the remaining 2 grams of dust must be found. The dust could be in the air filter housing, the air duct, or the absolute filter which traps any dust that passes through the air filter, but wherever it is it must be accounted for. If any of the requirements of the ISO test procedure are not met, the test is not valid. A company's participation in testing using ISO5011 test procedures is strictly voluntary. Conducting an ISO5011 test requires a considerable investment in both time and equipment, and many air filter companies simply do not have the resources to complete an ISO test in-house. K&N views this test procedure as a valuable part of our research and development process.

24. More airflow means you are letting more dirt through, right?

No. Filtration testing measures the percentage of dust retained before the filter reaches a terminal test pressure, often 10" of restriction above initial restriction. We use airflow as a simplified term to explain a more complicated physical process. The more precise description is restriction: K&N air filters create less restriction which helps an engine run better. An engine will only use the air it needs and our air filters do not result in an engine using more air than necessary. Rather, they result in the engine experiencing less restriction. The terms airflow and restriction are inversely related. Our air filters provide either less restriction at a fixed airflow rate; or more airflow as a fixed level of restriction. In neither case is more air being used than necessary.
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If you choose to "buy" K&N's marketing BS that's fine, hey... it's your Jeep!
You probably believe K&N's increased horsepower figures for their CAI's as well! ALL MARKETING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There was a time that I also bought that "marketing BS" too, but not any longer....... K&N's oiled filterchargers flow more air than OEM paper filters and let more fine dirt particles into your engine while doing it!

It's that simple. REALLY!

They work very well at doing just that. Try my real world test, change your oil and run a new OEM paper filter, or even better an aftermarket Amsoil Ea or Donaldson paper filter, for 5K miles and save a sample of that oil, now do the same for a oiled K&N and send your oil for analysis after each run. Use the same brand oil and oil filter for each run. What do you think you'll find? First thing you'll notice is that the used oil run with the "free flowing" K&N filtercharger is noticebly darker than the used oil run with an OEM paper filter. Why do you think that is? Maybe it's all the fine particles of dirt suspended in your engine oil that the K&N didn't filter out!

What do you think the oil lab analysis will show?? Try it!

You might find that through various "UOA's" (used oil analysis) that k&n filters = higher silicon numbers = more dirt in your engine!

Or if you want to read some more on the subject;
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2218080
http://blog.consumerpla.net/2011/03/...-worth-it.html
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...53#Post2420553
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
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You probably believe K&N's increased horsepower figures for their CAI's as well! ALL MARKETING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Kn kit not good?

Depends on where you are. In Florida we have a lot of sand which is essentially glass grit and Not Good for an engine. I always use stock or better pleatted filters.

Also the stock WK2 filter is the same for both Pentastar and Hemi so "enough" for a V6.

Finally I do not see any significant change in IMAP at WOT between 3000 and 6300 rpm.

So while I do want to reduce IAT (120F-160F) since I live in a hot climate, all I want to replace is the "hose" (tube) and not the filter.

I e-Mailed aFe about purchaing the Pentastar tube and bracket but they have not replied.
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If you choose to "buy" K&N's marketing BS that's fine, hey... it's your Jeep!
You probably believe K&N's increased horsepower figures for their CAI's as well! ALL MARKETING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There was a time that I also bought that "marketing BS" too, but not any longer....... K&N's oiled filterchargers flow more air than OEM paper filters and let more fine dirt particles into your engine while doing it!

It's that simple. REALLY!

They work very well at doing just that. Try my real world test, change your oil and run a new OEM paper filter, or even better an aftermarket Amsoil Ea or Donaldson paper filter, for 5K miles and save a sample of that oil, now do the same for a oiled K&N and send your oil for analysis after each run. Use the same brand oil and oil filter for each run. What do you think you'll find? First thing you'll notice is that the used oil run with the "free flowing" K&N filtercharger is noticebly darker than the used oil run with an OEM paper filter. Why do you think that is? Maybe it's all the fine particles of dirt suspended in your engine oil that the K&N didn't filter out!

What do you think the oil lab analysis will show?? Try it!

You might find that through various "UOA's" (used oil analysis) that k&n filters = higher silicon numbers = more dirt in your engine!

Or if you want to read some more on the subject;
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2218080
http://blog.consumerpla.net/2011/03/...-worth-it.html
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...53#Post2420553
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
would that dirt problem apply to Volant, AFE, mopar etc also?

ETA: Raptor you're a really angry person on the internet, maybe take a day off?
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