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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

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Underwhelmed is right. The soft ETC doesn't help. But the bottom line is it's a 5200 lb truck with extremely tall, wide gearing. The Hemi is stout enough to be tolerable in spite of that, and it sounds pretty good, but it's not fast by any stretch.

It strikes me as kind of backwards that Chrysler gives a $25,000 Ram the variable intake runner for 30 more horses and the option of reasonable rear ends (3.92 or 4.10) yet their $40,000 flagship Jeep only comes in weak and weaker.

The 8 speed for 2013 will help a lot.
Can't compare the two. One is a pick-up and the other is a SUV. Pickups have aggressive gearing for towing, hauling, plowing snow, etc.


To the OP, you felt just like I felt when I drove a 5.7L WK1 and 5.7L Commander..... cars that is faster than the WK2

If was after that I felt that the only usable engine for the Jeep platform was the 4.7L V8. Now its the 3.6L V6.
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Old 03-04-2011, 08:31 AM
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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

I had a 1998 Limited with the 5.9. My 98 was far quicker off the line than the Hemi I have now. I think once they come out with a programmer it will give the engine some more attitude. It's all about the computer, if they can de-tune it someone will find a way to go the other direction. I'm sure it had something to do with fuel economy and advertising. Ram trucks have the same Hemi but I bet it's setup a lot differently. 360 to 390 HP, must be something right?
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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

I own the V6, but test drove the Hemi (from two different dealers).

My experience was definitely *not* the same. It pressed my back into the seat and performed better than I expected! (but I still settled on the V6) Perhaps it's a programming issue, it's certainly not the engine. I recall getting into the Hemi and being more than surprised from the response of the engine. (but, to be fair, I was coming from a Tahoe Hybrid which responds differently from a standing start than the hemi)
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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

^agreed with goul, jake, and wjs, it's not the engine, it's the ETC. the Hemi rocks, only complaint is off the line due to the drive by wire. whether a tuner or module to fool the ETC, it's the next performance mod.

my underwhelming hemi will stomp on your hybrid, v6 pentastar, x5, v6 exploder, cadillac, or grand marquis. it's the mustangs and camaros that give a beating though they sure are surprised that a 5k SUV wants to dance.

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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

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Can't compare the two. One is a pick-up and the other is a SUV. Pickups have aggressive gearing for towing, hauling, plowing snow, etc.
Like nobody tows with a GC?

The WK1 had basically the same powertrain and a shorter axle. The tires were an inch shorter too, which made the effective gearing even shorter. Like having a 3.9 on the new truck. On top of that the WK2 is 500 pounds heavier.

Don't try to fool yourself that the 3.4 axle on the WK2 is luxury or SUV oriented. What it is is EPA oriented.

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my underwhelming hemi will stomp on your hybrid, v6 pentastar, x5, v6 exploder, cadillac, or grand marquis. it's the mustangs and camaros that give a beating though they sure are surprised that a 5k SUV wants to dance.
Read the actual numbers and your WK2 runs with a 4 cylinder rental Sonata on pretty much every test under 70 mph. The great hemi power is wasted because the craptastic gearing will only let you get to it at 35-50 and 70-100 mph. Of course a Sonata sounds bad and shifts a lot, and the Hemi sounds good and doesn't shift much because it can't. So the Hemi feels better. But fast it ain't.
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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

I owned a 2003 Overland with 4.7 HO engine prior to my WK2 and the 2003 engine was far more responsive than the hemi. I wish that Chrysler had retained the 4.7 as it was a modern engine with overhead cams, etc. It also got similar gas mileage without needing MDS.
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Read the actual numbers and your WK2 runs with a 4 cylinder rental Sonata on pretty much every test under 70 mph. The great hemi power is wasted because the craptastic gearing will only let you get to it at 35-50 and 70-100 mph. Of course a Sonata sounds bad and shifts a lot, and the Hemi sounds good and doesn't shift much because it can't. So the Hemi feels better. But fast it ain't.
Damn. You think it's too late to trade in my WK2 for a Sonata?
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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

comparing the WK2 Hemi with the BMW 335i is, well ridiculous. Very different configurations. Again, my 5th Jeep and 2nd Hemi. The WK2 is doing what is what designed to do. IMO.
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Damn. You think it's too late to trade in my WK2 for a Sonata?
The Sonata wont pull my boat, my Hemi's do.
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Damn. You think it's too late to trade in my WK2 for a Sonata?
It would be interesting to see the Sonata tow my 6000lb trailer
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+1 to that, or plow through 30" snow storms to get to first tracks, load a bunch of sports gear and building materials, haul a bunch of people/kids/other crap, show up at the mountain bike/hiking/high alpine trailhead, or do some offroading in moab. heck, the jeep even has the edge at the mall.

even if a sonata happened to toe the line at the local stoplight, doubtful i would care to try. if i happened to give 'er a go and got smoked anyway, doubtful anyone else would even notice it cause they'd be eyeballin that bad azz wk2 and wonderin' how a jeep could also be a muscle car.

if that isn't enough, the real deal killer is the the total lack of mojo one would get from a hyundai. just sayin.

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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

Very happy with the WK2 Hemi and it's performance, acceleration, throttle response and NVH… I tow my boat quite a bit and it also does a good job at that as well... A speed deamon it is not, nor was it designed or intended to be one. It is a very capable SUV with overall good performance at a resonable price. I have owned many performance cars including several SRT8s...
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