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Old 03-07-2011, 01:31 PM
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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

First off, 98% of the GC buyers could care less about 0-60 or 1/4 mile times. For the other 2%, I think the 2011 changes probably hurt performance somewhat. The rear axle ratio may be a big part of that, but that also depends on what the transmission ratios are and the final combination in each gear.

I suspect that the previous 3.73 ratio would have the edge.

2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland (V-8) 0-60 mph 6.9 (7.8?)Quarter Mile 15.3

My 2008 JGC Limited with the Hemi was posting 0-60 mph in 4.18 seconds and a 1/4 mile in 13.39 @ 104 mph.

Oh,forgot, that was with a little bolt on hair dryer.

I have a 1996 2dr S10 Blazer with the 4.3L V6, 125K on the odo, originally rated at 195 hp, I find it adequate for what it is, the winter driver with 4wd, and am mildly impressed with it. I am certain the new Pentastar V6 would be far better as it has more HP and TQ. It all depends on what one uses it for. If that use is a go fast expectation, well since the vehicles were built for the other 98% of the market, I think the go fast was compromised for the luxury SUV image.

Unless some kind of tuning becomes possible for the new vehicles and their communications and architecture changes, never going to be able to much of anything on them. Definately no gear ratio changes.

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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

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Ok, then how do you describe the hemi?

Is it fast? Nope
Is it really anything more the mote then adequate? Nope

It's adequate, peppy, and powerful enough just like the V6
I would say that the Hemi feels significantly faster than the V6, pretty much a night and day difference, and definitely more than adequate. The Pilots, Acadias, Explorers, and V6 GC's were all adequate and felt roughly the same in terms of power, the Hemi is much more than that. I am convinced that the ESC update makes a huge difference with the Hemi, anyone that drove it before the update really should drive it again with the update. I don't know how anyone could possibly drive the V6 and Hemi and honestly come away thinking that they felt even close to similar in terms of power.
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I'll take you on anytime its not snowing. hope your big bad hemi can run at least in the 13s though.... oh right, its not even close

And actually my car has 2 nice shiny 3 inch exhaust pipes exiting the rear of the car, and they shoot flames out on downshifts
13's with a 1.3Liter ? It's either heavily blown, or running NOX. Either way, let me know when you get it back from the shop. Lets run 20 times in a row while we are at it and see which car is still running without any mechanical problems.
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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

1.3l would be a rotary engine... if the name didnt give that away and people make alot of power out of those things.

I dont know where this bashing is coming from... these are not race cars, if you want to bash a vehicle wait till its performance enhance version comes out. The originator of this post talking about "I drove up in a 335i..." and you knock this? chryslers srt8 grand cherokee has been the top dog in performance suv's since it came out. With its ancient technology non variable valve timed cam in block engine, going against hand built M series suv's and still coming out on top.

People dont buy overlands to go race civics, and corvettes, they buy them for the much more refined driving experience compaired the original WK of which it is VERY much so.

Furthermore electronic throttle control is for emissions... taking a large displacement v8, non variable valve timed and making it pass current emissions standards, unfourtunatly it takes a lazy throttle pedal and less than stellar shift points. Its a nice car, made for getting groceries and weekend trips to the mountain. When you dont drive it like a raped ape it drives VERY nice, its VERY smooth and VERY comefortable, yet when you need some umph it has some on tap for you... so long as your patient for it ha ha. I make a living repairing these, drive them day in and day out, and the change is night and day....

Lastly, sorry it wasnt up to your bmw standards, If you would like them to inflate the cost another 20k and put bmw logos on it Im sure they could work something out for you. This is an atainable, much more affordable, luxury suv.
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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

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1.3l would be a rotary engine... if the name didnt give that away and people make alot of power out of those things.

I dont know where this bashing is coming from... these are not race cars, if you want to bash a vehicle wait till its performance enhance version comes out. The originator of this post talking about "I drove up in a 335i..." and you knock this? chryslers srt8 grand cherokee has been the top dog in performance suv's since it came out. With its ancient technology non variable valve timed cam in block engine, going against hand built M series suv's and still coming out on top.

People dont buy overlands to go race civics, and corvettes, they buy them for the much more refined driving experience compaired the original WK of which it is VERY much so.

Furthermore electronic throttle control is for emissions... taking a large displacement v8, non variable valve timed and making it pass current emissions standards, unfourtunatly it takes a lazy throttle pedal and less than stellar shift points. Its a nice car, made for getting groceries and weekend trips to the mountain. When you dont drive it like a raped ape it drives VERY nice, its VERY smooth and VERY comefortable, yet when you need some umph it has some on tap for you... so long as your patient for it ha ha. I make a living repairing these, drive them day in and day out, and the change is night and day....

Lastly, sorry it wasnt up to your bmw standards, If you would like them to inflate the cost another 20k and put bmw logos on it Im sure they could work something out for you. This is an atainable, much more affordable, luxury suv.
I think you said it perfectly, I really don't understand the posts saying the Hemi is slow or underpowered, I got out of my Jeep SRT8, drove a Cayenne S and still feel that the Hemi WK2 has more than enough power for what is needed. I think because it has a "Hemi" that people think it's a sports car, which it is not. If Rotor wants to race though I'll glady take him on in my M3.
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1.3l would be a rotary engine... if the name didnt give that away and people make alot of power out of those things.
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If Rotor wants to race though I'll glady take him on in my M3.
I had the pleasure of going to M school a few months ago. If you have not been there, I highly suggest it. Amazing fun!
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I'll take you on anytime its not snowing. hope your big bad hemi can run at least in the 13s though.... oh right, its not even close

And actually my car has 2 nice shiny 3 inch exhaust pipes exiting the rear of the car, and they shoot flames out on downshifts
I have a little car like that as well; a 12 second turbo Miata. Kind of hard to pull the horse trailer with it though.
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And I have two 11 second Nissan Skyline's, though I don't bring them up in conversation about Jeep Grand Chekkas...... ***cough***r0tor***cough.
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Re: Underwhelmed by HEMI

Who said I was ever talking about my fast car?


Sorry, my area has too many redneck racers with their hemi RAM trucks that drive like idiots constantly... including one that tried to pass me in the jeep this morning and failed to do so until I had to slow up for the school bus in front of me (which he illegally passed and I hope the driver got his plate). The V6 vs hemi battles on here smell of the same attitude.The hemi is a nice engine, but when its in something that weighs 5,000 pounds it doesn't exactly make for a combination that's exactly mind blowing and the V6 is slightly less mind blowing.
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I dont know where this bashing is coming from... these are not race cars, if you want to bash a vehicle wait till its performance enhance version comes out. The originator of this post talking about "I drove up in a 335i..." and you knock this....

Just checked the thread after several days off the site.
- My comments are in no way a bashing exercise, I just shared my impression and slight disapointment at the lack of a kick in the rear when stomping on it.
- I originated the post, but the 335i member is someone else. I have had many BMW's, but never a 335. BMW makes a great car, but they have their faults too and I don't think they make the best 4x4 for my needs - that's why I bought a Jeep.
- I showed up at the dealer with the WJ covered in road salt.

I still think that with either engine choice the WK2 is a great vehicle. I look forward to getting one (with Turbo Diesel hopefully )
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Any hemi drivers want to comment on real world mpg for full-time "urban" driving? And I mean hardcore stop and go city street traffic with stop lights averaging only 15 mph max. That's my life. I'm thinking there won't be much efficiency difference between the hemi and V6 under these conditions.

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