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Old 02-22-2014, 06:54 PM
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Changing valve stem seals solved the prob for my Trailhawk thus far. The oil pan/ computer update did some good but it wasn't totally fixed until now . I've had 3 days of no blue smoke
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Re: Updated Oil Pan

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So since my Stealership wont spend more then an hour trying to diagnose my smoke on startup issue. I've thinking of just buying the new updated oil pan and installing it myself.

Here is the TSB which my jeep does fall under..
http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_0900213.pdf

The updated Oil Pan's part number is 68207352AA

Does anyone happen to know the difference between the New updated one and our old one?
I seen this on both my 2011/2014 on occasions. What part NJ you from ,which dealer?
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Re: Updated Oil Pan

Im from East Rutherford.... But I purchased my jeep where I used to live, Port Jefferson Station NY .... so the dealer is Port Jeff Jeep Chrysler dodge
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Re: Updated Oil Pan

The TSB says in one sentence, that if can not be replicated by dealer and the owner says it did. They have to do the TSB and replace the part.
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The TSB says in one sentence, that if can not be replicated by dealer and the owner says it did. They have to do the TSB and replace the part.
Oh reeeeaallllyyy? I'm gonna look exactly where it says that then shove it in my dealers face
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Re: Updated Oil Pan

"If the customer describes the symptom/condition, perform the Repair Procedure"

... That's all I can find in the TSB .... not exactly what you said.
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"If the customer describes the symptom/condition, perform the Repair Procedure" ... That's all I can find in the TSB .... not exactly what you said.
But it is there. If you describe it they need to do it.
Nothing else with the case.
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Re: Updated Oil Pan

I have had the oil pan fix and have a catch can. Still smokes on occasion. They really don't know how to fix it, or the fix is so expensive they don't want to do a real TSB/Recall.
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If your 5.7 still exhibits blue smoke on startup, even if only occasionally and if you've either had the TSB done (or yours was built after the effective production date for those changes:

Check your oil level and dipstick for accuracy.

These engines take 7qt, including the oil filter. An overfill of as little as 1/2 to 3/4 of a quart will result in some oil smoke on startup. This symptom will be worse on any forward incline, the amount of incline depending on the amount of overfill. Additionally, for overfill related smoke on startup, this symptom will be worse on a warm engine restarted after a hot soak period--the oil expands when hot and the amount of overfill is effectively worse.

Checking your oil level alone is not enough. You must verify the accuracy of your dipstick by draining the oil (do not change the filter) and adding 6.75 to 7qts. Then gauge where it is on the stick after a few minutes to allow all the oil to settle.

Mine started doing the startup smoke slightly and occasionally after my first oil change. Mine was built after the effective production date of the TSB parts so they were already installed. After doing the above check for dipstick accuracy I found that the dealer had inadvertently overfilled by a quart. The dipstick read at the full line, but draining and adding the exact 7 quarts put it at the "add" line. My dealer is investigating and has so far found 4 more customers with this exact same issue (very inaccurate dipstick). They're talking with Chrysler to see if they can figure out what's going on, but Chrysler flat out said that almost any overfill on the 5.7 will show occasional startup smoke as a symptom.
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Re: Updated Oil Pan

They are changing the oik pan, but not changing the dip stick. So, they will almost always over fill since they are only going by what the dip stick says. The people at my dealer that they have doing oil changes are idiots. (they lost my JGC during the last oil change). So, this issue has been going on for a long time. Chrysler is aware of it, but still do not have a true fix for it. Just this morning mine smoked at cold startup on very level garage floor. However like you said, it also happened during startup with Warmed up engines as well. Incline is also a big contributor to it. Would be nice if they came up with a true fix. I may call today and give my star case an update.
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They are changing the oik pan, but not changing the dip stick. So, they will almost always over fill since they are only going by what the dip stick says. The people at my dealer that they have doing oil changes are idiots. (they lost my JGC during the last oil change). So, this issue has been going on for a long time. Chrysler is aware of it, but still do not have a true fix for it. Just this morning mine smoked at cold startup on very level garage floor. However like you said, it also happened during startup with Warmed up engines as well. Incline is also a big contributor to it. Would be nice if they came up with a true fix. I may call today and give my star case an update.
The dipstick shouldn't need to be changed with the oil pan. The pan simply has a different windage tray...not an increased capacity or deeper sump. The issue is with the dipsticks and/or tubes themselves and can affect you whether you have the new pan or not. It is unknown yet whether this is a length problem with some dipsticks or if perhaps the wrong one is being used.
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Re: Updated Oil Pan

What I was told was the oil pan is a different configuration. Meaning deeper, or wider to let the oil in the lines drain back into the pan. Something like that. However, the dip stick is still in the same spot. So, when they change oil, them put in X quarts of oil, they look at the dip stick and say, it is low, so they add more. Thus, over filled. Every time I talk to someone at Chrysler or the service department I get different answers.
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