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Old 07-21-2015, 10:49 AM
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Why no love for the 3.6?

This may be a stupid question, but why is no one putting a turbo on the 3.6? I've seen prodigy turbo 3.6 wranglers and turbos on 3.6 Chargers but none on a GC.
I'm aware that RiPP has the supercharger kit but what about just a turbo kit? I would love to see a turbo kit for this motor even though the typical response would be buy the Hemi.

Is there something I'm missing?

Waiting for Jeep to put out its rumored turbo I might be dead before the arrival

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Re: Why no love for the 3.6?

I just don't see the point.

For wranglers, it's stupid. When offroading, you want the torque at low rpm and the turbo doesn't give it to you. Even a Vortech is a stretch in that situation. The only time you'd want peaky turbo power is when you need a ton of wheelspeed, and that doesn't take a power adder to get, just gears.

For a street vehicle, why try to make a hot rod Grand Cherokee out of the smallest option engine? What's your endgame with adding power? For an application where you are looking for street drivability, I'd say the centri blower makes way more sense than a turbo. If you are looking for peak power, which a turbo would be good for, you started with the wrong engine.
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Re: Why no love for the 3.6?

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I just don't see the point.

For wranglers, it's stupid. When offroading, you want the torque at low rpm and the turbo doesn't give it to you. Even a Vortech is a stretch in that situation. The only time you'd want peaky turbo power is when you need a ton of wheelspeed, and that doesn't take a power adder to get, just gears.

For a street vehicle, why try to make a hot rod Grand Cherokee out of the smallest option engine? What's your endgame with adding power? For an application where you are looking for street drivability, I'd say the centri blower makes way more sense than a turbo. If you are looking for peak power, which a turbo would be good for, you started with the wrong engine.
I understand your response, just in my eyes If that were the case then why would they make turbo kits for half the cars they make turbo kits for? theres always an option of a bigger engine. Also turbos are seen as a nice upgrade for someone who maybe wanted some more power but not the price tag that comes with the next model leap, just my thoughts.
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Re: Why no love for the 3.6?

Or even better, a twin turbo setup!
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Re: Why no love for the 3.6?

I personally could care less about turbos. I can't stand the lag. Some twin turbos don't have lag but I'd rather have a Hemi... I like what Audi does, they just supercharge everything lol
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I personally could care less about turbos. I can't stand the lag. Some twin turbos don't have lag but I'd rather have a Hemi... I like what Audi does, they just supercharge everything lol
You got that mostly wrong. With the exception of the current gasoline 3.0 V6, their past and current 1.8; 2.0; 2.7; 4.0; 4.2 four, six and eight cylinder engines on gasoline have had one or two Turbochargers.

Turbo is great, I wish they offered it on the Jeep. But I do not believe in supercharging or turbocharging with aftermarket solutions a factory normally aspirated engine. It is just asking for trouble.
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You got that mostly wrong. With the exception of the current gasoline 3.0 V6, their past and current 1.8; 2.0; 2.7; 4.0; 4.2 four, six and eight cylinder engines on gasoline have had one or two Turbochargers.

Turbo is great, I wish they offered it on the Jeep. But I do not believe in supercharging or turbocharging with aftermarket solutions a factory normally aspirated engine. It is just asking for trouble.

You're right, but didn't Audi have supercharged S4's and RS4's?
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Re: Why no love for the 3.6?

For the 3.6 and possibly 5.7 I don't see why FCA would put turbo's on it. What for? They are not your typical race or competitive vehicle. I mean unless your gonna be racing while grocery shopping or going on a road trip which I highly doubt. I just feel it's pointless. Don't get me wrong I'm into speed myself coming from LS1 and LS3 engines I love me some track time!!!

Now the SRT? Now that I would praise FCA if they put a turbo or even supercharging that SOB! So in a nutshell your average joe with a 3.6 or 5.7 wouldn't be utilizing that turbo/supercharger specially if they are mall crawlers. If your into an adrenaline rush I would recommend going for an SRT. Bottom line.
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You got that mostly wrong. With the exception of the current gasoline 3.0 V6, their past and current 1.8; 2.0; 2.7; 4.0; 4.2 four, six and eight cylinder engines on gasoline have had one or two Turbochargers.

Turbo is great, I wish they offered it on the Jeep. But I do not believe in supercharging or turbocharging with aftermarket solutions a factory normally aspirated engine. It is just asking for trouble.

I have owned a turbo Audi and VW. I guess my word choice was poor. Their mainstream 3.0T is supercharged and they use it in multiple different models. I like it
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For the 3.6 and possibly 5.7 I don't see why FCA would put turbo's on it. What for? They are not your typical race or competitive vehicle. I mean unless your gonna be racing while grocery shopping or going on a road trip which I highly doubt. I just feel it's pointless. Don't get me wrong I'm into speed myself coming from LS1 and LS3 engines I love me some track time!!!

Now the SRT? Now that I would praise FCA if they put a turbo or even supercharging that SOB! So in a nutshell your average joe with a 3.6 or 5.7 wouldn't be utilizing that turbo/supercharger specially if they are mall crawlers. If your into an adrenaline rush I would recommend going for an SRT. Bottom line.
Well have you driven a 3 L V6 turbo car before? Like a BMW ? Or by inclusion, a supercharged V6 like the S4? I have driven both, admittedly as a BMW 135 and Audi S4 trims, but I can imagine the driving experience in a 3 L V6 supercharged Range Rover would be similar. And it is pleasant and effortless.

Everybody who claims turbo lag is a killer, they are mistaken. Period. It is a thing from the past, just like the smelly, sooty diesel. But that is how the typical American male car enthusiast is: obsessed with displacement - V8 or nothing. A turbo- or super-charged V6 can match a V8 for torque and horsepower, and save on fuel. And unlike a normally aspirated V8, great hp/tq gains can be obtained via software; and hardware enhancements (intercoolers; pipes etc.) further enhance that experience.

I have a small 2.5 L turbocharged Subaru as my daily driven car. The factory IHI VF-40 with factory ECU mapping was a small turbo with significant lag before 2800 rpm. Sure, nobody would want that, myself included. Enter the BNR TD04-16G, a fast-spooling LARGER turbo, that might not be the choice for drag racing but it is absolutely one of the perfect choices for autocross. With 280 whp and no turbo lag after 2000 rpm, I have no complaints. And I have 10-year old technology on the car. Nowadays turbos spool from as early as 1500 rpm and virtually no lag. I included a dyno graph of my OLD turbo - there's something to be appreciated about the smoothness of the graphs and the surface area under the curve that non-turbo folks just don't get it.

Any of you can look up a BMW 335 dyno graph. WIth two turbos, there's no lag and far far more torque and power.
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Yeah, the 335d was no joke. It's all about area under the curve!!!
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Re: Why no love for the 3.6?

Both my Kia Optima and VW CC had turbo lag so bad that I got rid of them within the first year... It's definitely not a thing of the past.
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