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No nothing on the torqit stuff, just the hpf and murchisons tunes

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Yeah, that is the trans, the torque converter can take a while to engage. But you will see revs come up as you push the pedal, even though you aren't moving.

Mines the same, I feel I get a better result when I don't slam it to the floor.


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WK2 3.0 litre eco-diesel 3 inch exhaust

the lag that you experience is programming in the ECM, is virtually does not exist with a GDE tune.

Wonder what the stock pipe size is from the turbo to the cat ?, as is does not seem to be included.
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Re: WK2 3.0 litre eco-diesel 3 inch exhaust

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Yes Benno,
Definitely turbo lag, thinking of getting this, Jeep WK Grand Cherokee 3.0 CRD Common Rail Module & Pedal Torq Package. A mate of mine with a L/Cruiser V8 said it fixed his.
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the lag that you experience is programming in the ECM
I agree with nookie. It's delay from the pedal sending the signal to the ecm to it then acting. Not turbo lag. Variable vane turbos should have no lag. That's the whole point of the technology.

I run a similar pedal box in my amarok but it will not fix the issue. The pedal boxes change the signal from the accelerator pedal to the ecm so depending on setting the ecm thinks the pedal is actually depressed more than it is. So for example you have the pedal pressed down 30% of travel but the box alters the signal so it thinks it 60% depressed. I got it for the amarok because as you come to a stop, the ZF can't work out whether to be in first or second gear. As you come to the intersection and then mash the pedal the box craps itself and can't work out what to do so you go no where until all of a sudden it wakes up and you rocket off. Pretty dangerous when cars are coming at you. And no it hasn't really fixed the issue.

The common rail module is just a cheap chip that increases fuel rail pressure. Stay away from them in my opinion. Your just asking for over fueling, high EGT's and possible fuel rail pressure relief valve operation sending car into limp mode.

I'm really interested in a 3" turbo back exhaust though as I don't see any gains really being had when the DPF is still there being the major restriction in the system. Save your money until such an exhaust exists I reckon.
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Re: WK2 3.0 litre eco-diesel 3 inch exhaust

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I agree with nookie. It's delay from the pedal sending the signal to the ecm to it then acting. Not turbo lag. Variable vane turbos should have no lag. That's the whole point of the technology.

I run a similar pedal box in my amarok but it will not fix the issue. The pedal boxes change the signal from the accelerator pedal to the ecm so depending on setting the ecm thinks the pedal is actually depressed more than it is. So for example you have the pedal pressed down 30% of travel but the box alters the signal so it thinks it 60% depressed. I got it for the amarok because as you come to a stop, the ZF can't work out whether to be in first or second gear. As you come to the intersection and then mash the pedal the box craps itself and can't work out what to do so you go no where until all of a sudden it wakes up and you rocket off. Pretty dangerous when cars are coming at you. And no it hasn't really fixed the issue.

The common rail module is just a cheap chip that increases fuel rail pressure. Stay away from them in my opinion. Your just asking for over fueling, high EGT's and possible fuel rail pressure relief valve operation sending car into limp mode.

I'm really interested in a 3" turbo back exhaust though as I don't see any gains really being had when the DPF is still there being the major restriction in the system. Save your money until such an exhaust exists I reckon.
Thanks for the insight!
I have almost, pretty well made up my mind to go for a flash tune of my ecm. Decided that it will give me a better result. As long as I can get a guarantee that if I take my vehicle to the dealer and I happen to lose my tune, they will re-flash for 0 $. You're paying a lot of money just for software. I've been working in computers for over 20 years and when you buy software you get a disk or some sort of guarantee…! ROO Systems offer a 5 year quarantee and 2 re-flashes.
As far as the exhaust is concerned they have a download of the installation of the exhaust.
Gale Banks Monster. Check out their website, they may have one fo your Amarok. Apparently it's illegal to remove the DPF filter and the Banks Monster for the JGC connects to the OEM DPF and looks like a simple install. It would have to make an appreciable difference to back pressure.
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Re: WK2 3.0 litre eco-diesel 3 inch exhaust

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Thanks for the insight!
I have almost, pretty well made up my mind to go for a flash tune of my ecm. Decided that it will give me a better result. As long as I can get a guarantee that if I take my vehicle to the dealer and I happen to lose my tune, they will re-flash for 0 $. You're paying a lot of money just for software. I've been working in computers for over 20 years and when you buy software you get a disk or some sort of guarantee…! ROO Systems offer a 5 year quarantee and 2 re-flashes.
As far as the exhaust is concerned they have a download of the installation of the exhaust.
Gale Banks Monster. Check out their website, they may have one fo your Amarok. Apparently it's illegal to remove the DPF filter and the Banks Monster for the JGC connects to the OEM DPF and looks like a simple install. It would have to make an appreciable difference to back pressure.
I already have a 3" turbo back exhaust with DPF delete and ECU remap for the amarok. I'm not sure US has the amarok yet. While the DPF is not required for emission in Aus, because it was imported with one it is required but how many of Mr Plod are going to get on there hands and knees and look, little own know what one looks like.

The DPF back exhaust may make a small difference but you would want to remove the muffler and put a straight through one in or none at all. I would only say it may move the torque curve slightly but the DPF (and haven't checked but if there is a cat) are the most restriction so until they are removed there will be little gain in torque response or turbo spool rate.

As with most new cars all these little mods (exhaust, CAI, intercooler upgrade etc) make next to no difference to power/torque by way of increase. Add all of them together with a proper ECU tune and there will be benefit.

I have fitted an AFE CAI dry s and have a CRDSTU intercooler and cb engineering intercooler piping still to fit. Once a 3" turbo back exhaust becomes available I will fit that and get an ECU remap and hopefully then see the potential of this motor.

I think you will struggle to get free reflashes but not impossible. I was going to be charge $150 to get my amarok reflashed by Manta when VW replaced my gearbox, but luckily they didn't overwrite the tune so all good.
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Re: WK2 3.0 litre eco-diesel 3 inch exhaust

I had the ECU tune and exhaust done by "the guy in Melbourne".
Couldn't be happier. The exhaust itself didn't show huge gains on the dyno but did in real life driving.

PM me if you want to know more.

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I already have a 3" turbo back exhaust with DPF delete and ECU remap for the amarok. I'm not sure US has the amarok yet. While the DPF is not required for emission in Aus, because it was imported with one it is required but how many of Mr Plod are going to get on there hands and knees and look, little own know what one looks like.

The DPF back exhaust may make a small difference but you would want to remove the muffler and put a straight through one in or none at all. I would only say it may move the torque curve slightly but the DPF (and haven't checked but if there is a cat) are the most restriction so until they are removed there will be little gain in torque response or turbo spool rate.

As with most new cars all these little mods (exhaust, CAI, intercooler upgrade etc) make next to no difference to power/torque by way of increase. Add all of them together with a proper ECU tune and there will be benefit.

I have fitted an AFE CAI dry s and have a CRDSTU intercooler and cb engineering intercooler piping still to fit. Once a 3" turbo back exhaust becomes available I will fit that and get an ECU remap and hopefully then see the potential of this motor.

I think you will struggle to get free reflashes but not impossible. I was going to be charge $150 to get my amarok reflashed by Manta when VW replaced my gearbox, but luckily they didn't overwrite the tune so all good.
That Amarok will be a beast when you've finished with it. Hope you're not spending too much....... "money for nothing".

What is the DPF delete?
I'd like to keep my DPF, just so I'm doing a little for the environment as are my solar panels on my roof. Willing to sacrifice the small gain in performance. I confer with you about Mr Plod but my vehicle is still under warranty and I have to be careful.

The Banks Monster is a straight through system with no restrictions. Don't know if my vehicle has a CAT on it. Pretty sure the US version hasn't.

In the process of getting a quote from Murchison Products in Brisbane for a flash tune and have asked them about re-flashes in case of overwritting.
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Re: WK2 3.0 litre eco-diesel 3 inch exhaust

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I had the ECU tune and exhaust done by "the guy in Melbourne".
Couldn't be happier. The exhaust itself didn't show huge gains on the dyno but did in real life driving.

PM me if you want to know more.

Cheers, Craig
Hi Craig,

PM'd you one question. Thought it would be appropriate for all to benefit from your experience here.

Was it a proprietary tune? That I could look up and research.
Do you know if your new exhaust was connected to your OEM DPF or was the DPF removed?
Is it a straight through system?
What's it sound like?

Cheers,
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the lag that you experience is programming in the ECM, is virtually does not exist with a GDE tune.
This could be more likely than the turbo being the cause, but I find that when at a stop (particularly uphill and cold drivetrain), I put my foot down (slowly or quickly, doesn't seem to matter), the revs do come up as I push the pedal down, but the car gets no forward movement. So it has to be the trans not engaging, right?

Push the pedal a bit harder and get up to 1800-2000rpm and it engages with a jump and off I go. However, same spot with a warm drivetrain and the trans engages straight away, from 1000rpm I put my foot down and it instantly moves forward, no jumping off the line.

I do feel a bit of pedal to acceleration lag at times, particularly in eco mode.....
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the lag that you experience is programming in the ECM, is virtually does not exist with a GDE tune.

Wonder what the stock pipe size is from the turbo to the cat ?, as is does not seem to be included.
This is from Bankspower website....
"Banks Monster features a supersized, 3-inch tailpipes (compare that to the stock 1-7/8" pipes!)"
http://www.bankspower.com/products/show/?option_id=504%7C108%7CGas%20Trucks%2C%20%0A14-15%20Jeep%20-%203.0L%20Diesel%7C6
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Reason I tossed that question in Like a few - I'm too wondering what the benefits are if upstream you still have the smaller pipe ?.

btw GDE in Michigan charges I think $50.00 for a reflash.
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