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Re: 2014 GC ELSD Fluid Black

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I am an Amsoil snob and their GL-5 rated Severe Gear 75W-90 Synthetic EP Lub is only $11/qt, use in both diffs, vs the Mopar $35-50/qt "gold" so it is easier for me to be very generous with diff fluids.
Did you also use a friction modifier? I'm curious because Eaton says no special lubricant required. That may just mean it uses a typical gear lube and not Unicorn blood. The first time I did mine, I had a credit to use up at the dealer so "gold" it was.
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Re: 2014 GC ELSD Fluid Black

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Did you also use a friction modifier? I'm curious because Eaton says no special lubricant required. That may just mean it uses a typical gear lube and not Unicorn blood...
I'm a gear head too, the vids always help. Oh this elsd does require a friction modifier in the gear oil to help strike the balance between ELSD clutchpack needs (slip/engage and plate adhesion, etc...) and metal gear lubing. It needs (requires per manual) a GL-5 75W/85 synthetic base lube with friction modifiers either already in like the Amsoil Severe Gear 75W-90 Synthetic EPSVGQT-EA or the Mopar 68083381AA ones or added if not already in like the Mopar 05136035AA.
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Old 02-23-2016, 07:41 AM
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Re: 2014 GC ELSD Fluid Black

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I'm a gear head too, the vids always help. Oh this elsd does require a friction modifier in the gear oil to help strike the balance between ELSD clutchpack needs (slip/engage and plate adhesion, etc...) and metal gear lubing. It needs (requires per manual) a GL-5 75W/85 synthetic base lube with friction modifiers either already in like the Amsoil Severe Gear 75W-90 Synthetic EPSVGQT-EA or the Mopar 68083381AA ones or added if not already in like the Mopar 05136035AA.
Ok, I thought it did. In looking at the Amsoil, they stated to add the Slip Lock if chatter occurs. After looking deeper they do state that it is compatible with LSDs and should not need the modifier.
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Ok, I thought it did. In looking at the Amsoil, they stated to add the Slip Lock if chatter occurs. After looking deeper they do state that it is compatible with LSDs and should not need the modifier.
Doesnt sound like they are very sure if it will work with our ELSD "if chatter occurs" "should not need a modifier"
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Doesnt sound like they are very sure if it will work with our ELSD "if chatter occurs" "should not need a modifier"
Nono not all. Because this covers so many vehicles and extreme applications it is possible (highly unlikely in our rigs and applications) that more FM is needed. This is even true of the Mopar with FM in it. It's why the FM is sold separately too. Chatter happens when the clutch plates are pressed tight/long enough so that little oil (ie FM) is on them at the same time they are being asked to separate and slip. This " too grippy" condition causes low vibration and a chatter. Often this dissipates once u get moving but if this is an issue u just add very small amounts to strike a better balance for your application.
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Re: 2014 GC ELSD Fluid Black

Since I spent a few bucks extra, to get the Maxlife warranty, I'd hate to jeopardize it, by using a "non approved" gear oil in the differentials of my ELSD and Quadra-Drive equipped GC. However, I also don't enjoy throwing money around needlessly.

Therefore, I can't help but question the insane cost of the MoPar gear lubes, that are specified for the GCs, especially the lube for the ELSD rear axles. Is there really some "special ingredient" in their oil, that is absolutely necessary for the health of the axle, which increases the cost by a factor of 2, or is it just another way to get into the customer's pocket??


Inquiring minds want to know, because as soon as the weather warms up, I'd like to change the gear oil in my GC.
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Re: 2014 GC ELSD Fluid Black

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..."non approved" gear oil in the differentials of my ELSD and Quadra-Drive equipped GC...
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from the manual...GL-5 and 75w-85...the Amsoil is GL-5 75w/90...same
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Re: 2014 GC ELSD Fluid Black

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Since I spent a few bucks extra, to get the Maxlife warranty, I'd hate to jeopardize it, by using a "non approved" gear oil in the differentials of my ELSD and Quadra-Drive equipped GC. However, I also don't enjoy throwing money around needlessly.

Therefore, I can't help but question the insane cost of the MoPar gear lubes, that are specified for the GCs, especially the lube for the ELSD rear axles. Is there really some "special ingredient" in their oil, that is absolutely necessary for the health of the axle, which increases the cost by a factor of 2, or is it just another way to get into the customer's pocket??


Inquiring minds want to know, because as soon as the weather warms up, I'd like to change the gear oil in my GC.
It is high but fortunately you don't need very much of it. If you do it yourself the front differential, the rear differential and the transfer case fluid cost is about $125 to perform all three with the recommended Mopar fluid, that's including saving the extra half quart for the next time. You could probably cut the cost in half with other after market fluids. Its not done that often so ill probably stick with the Mopar. The dealer would probably want 400 bucks to do all three of them.
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Re: 2014 GC ELSD Fluid Black

You can actually do it with 3 quarts: 2 for ELSD and one for non ELSD.
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Re: 2014 GC ELSD Fluid Black

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???

from the manual...GL-5 and 75w-85...the Amsoil is GL-5 75w/90...same

You seem to be glossing over something....MoPar has two different formulations of gear oil, one for open differentials, and one for limited slip differentials, whereas both Amsoil and Red Line simply recommend their limited slip compatible lubes for BOTH axles......
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You seem to be glossing over something....MoPar has two different formulations of gear oil, one for open differentials, and one for limited slip differentials, whereas both Amsoil and Red Line simply recommend their limited slip compatible lubes for BOTH axles......
You can use a lubricant with friction modifier in an open differential. You should NOT use a standard lubricant without FM in a clutch type LSD. That's why you can use the 1/2 qt left over from the rear diff in the front, and not buy 2 quarts of each kind.
There are LSDs that don't require friction modifier but they don't have clutch plates.
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Re: 2014 GC ELSD Fluid Black

Thanks The Evil Twin....true dat!

yeah, an Amsoil user is not an Amsoil user because they gloss over things

Not trying to push Amsoil on anyone. It's just another option for those that care to explore options. Obviously, the Mopar $45/55 per qt liquid gold is good stuff and cost isn't the real reason I use the Amsoil. When you are a believer you are a believer so my garage is stocked with Amsoil products. If they make the proper spec for my application then I use it so take me for what I am, an Amsoil deciple!
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