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Re: Alignment & Steering wheel

How a dealership can't tackle a simple alignment is beyond me. I'm frustrated for you!!! I mean is there something else wrong that we don't know about? Why is it I was able to take my Acura and my wife's Toyota in for the exact same issue and I leave an hour later with a perfectly centered steering wheel? I love my Jeep and service has been fine so far for me, but reading other people's stories makes me cringe sometimes and was one of the toughest things when leaving the Honda/Acura family.

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Re: Alignment & Steering wheel

The best theory I've heard was its made like that so if you fall asleep at the wheel it won't drift to oncoming traffic.

After many alignments by various tyre shops, I've learnt how to do minor adjustments to correct it. I'd say turn both tie rod ends downwards to the front 1/4 of a turn and it should be good. Turn both evenly. Advise to mark it before you attempt it.
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Re: Alignment & Steering wheel

I see this type of thing on a daily basis. Dealerships, well, service writers blowing smoke at customers. Plain and simple, if your steering wheel is offcenter AND you are experiencing a drift, there are two things that are quite likely. 1: Your alignment is NOT to spec (possibly a caster issue. Vehicles tend to drift towards the side with the lower caster.). 2: You may be experiencing a radial pull (a radial tire can push or pull in a specific direction).

A rather large majority of folks that perform alignments, merely set the toe angles and make an attempt to center the steering. That's basically all. Rarely do they adjust camber/caster.

To the original poster, if possible, send me the alignment result sheet if they provided one.

And it's not a good idea just to start tampering with vehicle alignment without knowing before and after measurements. Just because the bolts are the same size, doesn't mean they are set equal. Take tie rods for example. Just because the steering wheel is not centered, you should NOT assume both tie rods are adjusted to the same value. The problem could be on one side alone. Find a dealer/service center with a Hunter alignment system. The newer the better. And also somewhere with a competent alignment technician.
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I see this type of thing on a daily basis. Dealerships, well, service writers blowing smoke at customers. Plain and simple, if your steering wheel is offcenter AND you are experiencing a drift, there are two things that are quite likely. 1: Your alignment is NOT to spec (possibly a caster issue. Vehicles tend to drift towards the side with the lower caster.). 2: You may be experiencing a radial pull (a radial tire can push or pull in a specific direction).

A rather large majority of folks that perform alignments, merely set the toe angles and make an attempt to center the steering. That's basically all. Rarely do they adjust camber/caster.

To the original poster, if possible, send me the alignment result sheet if they provided one.

And it's not a good idea just to start tampering with vehicle alignment without knowing before and after measurements. Just because the bolts are the same size, doesn't mean they are set equal. Take tie rods for example. Just because the steering wheel is not centered, you should NOT assume both tie rods are adjusted to the same value. The problem could be on one side alone. Find a dealer/service center with a Hunter alignment system. The newer the better. And also somewhere with a competent alignment technician.

With all assumption that his alignment is to spec, but just off Center at the wheel. If his alignment is out then that is a whole different story.

All alignment results will differ no matter which shop you use and which system and also how the car is driven up onto the hoist. I've also posted on this forum the camber and caster which should be used for these jeeps, where some clown reckon the cambers are slot bolted and have limited adjustments(refusing to make adjustment and asking customers to fit adjustable universal joints).
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Old 12-04-2015, 08:56 AM
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With all assumption that his alignment is to spec, but just off Center at the wheel. If his alignment is out then that is a whole different story.

All alignment results will differ no matter which shop you use and which system and also how the car is driven up onto the hoist. I've also posted on this forum the camber and caster which should be used for these jeeps, where some clown reckon the cambers are slot bolted and have limited adjustments(refusing to make adjustment and asking customers to fit adjustable universal joints).

Oh no doubt on the wheel center. I'm just referring to what I see in most cases.
I've had the chance to use almost every system out there. Hunter wins for accuracy hands down. I must have overlooked your post regarding specs that you've found. Would like to see how they compare to the ones I've used. If you don't mind, PM me a link to the thread.
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Oh no doubt on the wheel center. I'm just referring to what I see in most cases.
I've had the chance to use almost every system out there. Hunter wins for accuracy hands down. I must have overlooked your post regarding specs that you've found. Would like to see how they compare to the ones I've used. If you don't mind, PM me a link to the thread.

Hunter laser is probable the most closest to accurate. When I have time I'll pm you the doc.
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Hunter laser is probable the most closest to accurate. When I have time I'll pm you the doc.
Indeed. Love my Hunter system almost as much as my WK2. HA. And no rush on the specs. I have to appear to be busy today so won't get a chance to look over them till later.
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I see this type of thing on a daily basis. Dealerships, well, service writers blowing smoke at customers. Plain and simple, if your steering wheel is offcenter AND you are experiencing a drift, there are two things that are quite likely. 1: Your alignment is NOT to spec (possibly a caster issue. Vehicles tend to drift towards the side with the lower caster.). 2: You may be experiencing a radial pull (a radial tire can push or pull in a specific direction).

A rather large majority of folks that perform alignments, merely set the toe angles and make an attempt to center the steering. That's basically all. Rarely do they adjust camber/caster.

To the original poster, if possible, send me the alignment result sheet if they provided one.

And it's not a good idea just to start tampering with vehicle alignment without knowing before and after measurements. Just because the bolts are the same size, doesn't mean they are set equal. Take tie rods for example. Just because the steering wheel is not centered, you should NOT assume both tie rods are adjusted to the same value. The problem could be on one side alone. Find a dealer/service center with a Hunter alignment system. The newer the better. And also somewhere with a competent alignment technician.
I think what is going on here or what was in my case any way is that the jeep appears to be perfectly aligned, no pulling, no drifting, take your hands off the steering wheel and jeep goes straight no issue. But the steering wheel in that case is cocked to the right when you are going down the road straight hands off the wheel. just my opinion but I think some of these techs are just not taking the time to ensure the steering wheel is centered when they are doing the alignment as it is only off a small bit, so people are getting back perfectly aligned jeeps with center position driving still being a slightly cocked to the right wheel.
I had it aligned 3 different times at 3 different places all used the Hunter. The one that finally got it right was actually the dealer, I think primarily because he was familiar with the issue going on and took the time to make sure the steering wheel was completely centered before he did it not just roughly in the right place. That was almost two years ago and has been fine ever since. attached is the spec after the dealer had corrected it and all was fine. I feel your frustration OP, I hope they can get it right for you.
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I think what is going on here or what was in my case any way is that the jeep appears to be perfectly aligned, no pulling, no drifting, take your hands off the steering wheel and jeep goes straight no issue. But the steering wheel in that case is cocked to the right when you are going down the road straight hands off the wheel. just my opinion but I think some of these techs are just not taking the time to ensure the steering wheel is centered when they are doing the alignment as it is only off a small bit, so people are getting back perfectly aligned jeeps with center position driving still being a slightly cocked to the right wheel.

I had it aligned 3 different times at 3 different places all used the Hunter. The one that finally got it right was actually the dealer, I think primarily because he was familiar with the issue going on and took the time to make sure the steering wheel was completely centered before he did it not just roughly in the right place. That was almost two years ago and has been fine ever since. attached is the spec after the dealer had corrected it and all was fine. I feel your frustration OP, I hope they can get it right for you.

Seems like more than just the op who has the similar problem. Car is 100% aligned if it does not drift when you take the hands off the wheel and there's no odd tyre wears in all corners. Secondly bad tyres or muddies can also contribute to some pull even when alignment is correct. Thirdly, it takes a couple alignments with test drives between alignment to get it spot on, as after adjustment - you really need to get the car out there so all changes you made with the alignment sets. Wiggling the steering just doesn't cut it, neither does driving back and forth. Best to sit in with the tech/ or drive it with the tech and point out what you are not happy with. Bottom line is, in this case it's just that tad slanted steering wheel!!

Btw, I'm not sure about any other 4x4/suv, but the jeep is so sensitive to whacking their alignments out, simple kerb knock can take them out. And you say these things a built for off-road?
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to silvermax: Interesting that they didn't take a caster measurement. Regardless of air suspension or not, our WK2's are fully adjustable.

And most definately there are techs out there, or so they call themselves techs that just don't take pride in what they do thus giving the rest of us a bad name.
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to silvermax: Interesting that they didn't take a caster measurement. Regardless of air suspension or not, our WK2's are fully adjustable.

And most definately there are techs out there, or so they call themselves techs that just don't take pride in what they do thus giving the rest of us a bad name.
yeah not sure about what all he did but the tech clearly knew what he was doing and knew exactly what I was talking about when I was telling him about the off center issue. It was dead on when I left there and no issue since. I did look under after I had got home I could tell that both tie rods had been adjusted, there were probably other things done but the tie rods were all that stood out that I could tell they had been worked on.
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This is the document I created for both suspension types.

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