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Old 02-26-2016, 07:46 PM
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Re: Best Tire for the Asphalt Loving Jeep

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My gut feeling is something isnt right with these tires. My wheel seems to constantly be giving me feedback on even the smoother of roads around here. I dont know if its me over analyzing it or if there actually is something wrong.

With my Foreteras, i never noticed feedback in the wheel and the ride tended to be pretty smooth. These Defender LTX make the ride much more stiff and it feels like im fighting the car more.

On a side note, my FCW is 100x rougher when it kicks on the emergency braking. These tires grip way better than the stock ones and the system has no idea how to compensate.
You are probably not over analyzing it, if the steering wheel is vibrating at all when highway cruising than it is not right. These grand Cherokees have sensitive suspensions combine that with 20 inch wheels and you are going to feel it if the balance is not near perfect. you could have a tire out of round but its more likely the balance is still off.

A road force balancer is an expensive machine but its only as good as the technician that is using it. A lazy, sloppy or tech that just plain doesn't know how to use it is going to yield a so-so result and on this jeep with 20s so-so doesn't cut it. I went through the craziness trying to get rid of the vibration. I went back to one place with a road force balancer 3 times and they never could get it right kept shaking I ended up going to another place (the dealer) and paid them $90 and they spent over two hours force matching and road force balancing it (basically taking time and doing it correctly) and it was smooth the first time out. Try going back again ask them the road force numbers, if any of the tires are higher than 12 they need to get them near or below 12 even if it means replacing one or more of the tires. New tires shaking on the highway is not acceptable. Good luck

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Re: Best Tire for the Asphalt Loving Jeep

Wow! This thread has me in overload re: best all season tire. Although I have only 5,500 mi on my 4 month old High Altitude, I thought I was all decided on the Bridgestone Dueler HL Alenza Plus. I did well with them on my Infiniti FX37 in the same 265/50-20 here in south Florida. Now, when the time comes, I'll have to think about the Michelins, Pirellis, the other Michelins, etc. All this info confuses me.
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Re: Best Tire for the Asphalt Loving Jeep

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Wow! This thread has me in overload re: best all season tire. Although I have only 5,500 mi on my 4 month old High Altitude, I thought I was all decided on the Bridgestone Dueler HL Alenza Plus. I did well with them on my Infiniti FX37 in the same 265/50-20 here in south Florida. Now, when the time comes, I'll have to think about the Michelins, Pirellis, the other Michelins, etc. All this info confuses me.
The Alenzas rate ok on the charts but I didn't have luck with them. they were the first tire I got after the fortera and they never could get them to stop shaking even after replacing 3 of the 4. they also felt like riding on rocks they were so stiff. they stayed on my jeep for about 1 month and then came off in favor of Michelins.
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I think the tech has a bunch to do with this. The first time he did it, he set the machine to 17 inch rims instead of 20. That lead to a whole lot of feed back in the wheel.

I went back the next day and complained. Took about an hour. I asked for a print out of the road force numbers and they said they didnt have the capability. When I asked to speak to the tech, I asked him what the road force balance numbers were. He had no idea what I was talking about. I told him the number should be 12 or lower. His exact words were " Uh, Theres a number on the screen and I think I got them to 12?". I pretty much have zero confidence in the dealership tech.

I might end up going to discount tire and have them check everything out and then submit it to the dealership for reimbursement. Getting real tired of going back to a dealership that cant get it right in the first place.
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I think the tech has a bunch to do with this. The first time he did it, he set the machine to 17 inch rims instead of 20. That lead to a whole lot of feed back in the wheel.

I went back the next day and complained. Took about an hour. I asked for a print out of the road force numbers and they said they didnt have the capability. When I asked to speak to the tech, I asked him what the road force balance numbers were. He had no idea what I was talking about. I told him the number should be 12 or lower. His exact words were " Uh, Theres a number on the screen and I think I got them to 12?". I pretty much have zero confidence in the dealership tech.

I might end up going to discount tire and have them check everything out and then submit it to the dealership for reimbursement. Getting real tired of going back to a dealership that cant get it right in the first place.
He didnt know what the road force numbers were lol? Yeah there is your problem right there he has no idea what he is doing. He doesnt know what the road force numbers are i guarantee he didnt force match them either. Id go somewhere else those people are wasting your time.
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Re: Best Tire for the Asphalt Loving Jeep

The balance is probably the most likely issue. Get that right first. If you still feel vibration you may have a bad tire. If you didn't have it aligned, I'd say that would be the next step. These Jeeps are pretty persnickety about those numbers being close, real close. The acceptable range from my experience ain't acceptable. It made a huge difference when I had a tech that knew what he was doing and wasn't rushing. He did all the steps including getting the steering wheel dead on center. It really was another vehicle when he got done. Last thing is tire pressure. Cold pressures with temps in the 30's was set at 36psi. They were warming up to 38-40. They ride a bit firmer than what would be 36 warmed up but I noticed an uptick in mpg of about 1.5 mpg highway. Very smooth wheel, very quiet tires. Great in rain and deep powdery snow. Handles corners way better and overall a very confidence inspiring tire. If yours aren't keep plugging away until they are. Good luck.
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Re: Best Tire for the Asphalt Loving Jeep

protect1989,

You should not be experiencing any steering wheel 'feedback' at all with your brand new Michelin's & it looks like you need to simply get an expert balancer on the case...
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Re: Best Tire for the Asphalt Loving Jeep

Thank you all for your feedback and advice. This has turned into far bigger of a pain in the ass then it needs to be.

The question is, do I go back to the dealership and have them try to get it right for a third time, or take it to a tire shop/different dealership and have them look at it?
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Re: Best Tire for the Asphalt Loving Jeep

Given two tries at the dealer not straightening things out, it may be worth the small investment to have a good independent tire shop or another dealer facility take a look and either fix it for you or give you what you need to smack the original installers up-side their heads...
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I suppose this is a good reason to NOT buy from Tire Rack and rely on a local shop for mounting and balancing. Thoughts?
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I suppose this is a good reason to NOT buy from Tire Rack and rely on a local shop for mounting and balancing. Thoughts?
If the shop is good and the tires are good then it should not be an issue but the problem comes in when the road force numbers on one or more of the tires won't go down low enough and the tire needs to go back for a replacement. I have dealt with that before. Then that becomes your problem to take care of not the shops. With the the dealers buy 3 get one free and sales the others run you can sometimes beat the tire rack price anyway. It's better to buy from who is installing them that way if there are issues, which many times there are with these 20s, then it keeps you out of the loop.
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