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Re: Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza Plus or Michelin Defender LTX M/S

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Do you venture out ofSouthern Ca during the winter? If you do, look into the Michelin Primer LTX. It is more money, however for an all season all weather tire on the highway. It is far better than the Defender.

Best for now.
I'm replacing my Forteras with these Saturday. Going with 255-55-20 and hoping for a little softer ride (this size is cheaper, too). Can't complain about getting 40,000 out of my GY's. I"ll update after some miles.

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Re: Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza Plus or Michelin Defender LTX M/S

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I've been considering the Alenza and the Pirelli Scorpion Verde Plus for replacements later this summer. The cost is about the same and I'm most likely going to opt for the Pirelli. 99% of my driving is highway, too.
I went with the Pirelli Scorpion Verde Plus tires and I'm happy with them so far. Considered the Alenzas but read too many stories about defects.
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I went with the Pirelli Scorpion Verde Plus tires and I'm happy with them so far. Considered the Alenzas but read too many stories about defects.
I bought the alenza 20s and had a total of 7 alenza tires tried and about 5 visits over the course of 2 months with multiple road force/force match and they never could get them balanced properly. Exchanged them for the michelins after 2 months of hell and the michilins were smooth as silk the first time out the door.
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Re: Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza Plus or Michelin Defender LTX M/S

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Greetings,

Understandable.

One the biggest conditions as you clearly pointed out is dry traction in the wind and cornering capability.

As more and more tire manufactures are implementing new compounds for the rubber, not all of them handle the same as the traditional oil based rubber. I know that Michelin has been putting more products out recently with new compounds like Nokian has done for years and others are now following suit as well. These compounds produce a softer tread in order get a better grip. Their are many posts in the forum about the concept of softer tires............

As you clarified in your reply, it could be the size and the weight of JGC is different from the previous vehicles you have driven with. I would be safe to say, with those previous vehicles, the tire you had most likely had a harder compound and you were used to those handling aspects. Now with JGC and the WRG3 which is a softer tire more than the Rotiva that I use, gives you a different set of handling conditions that you are having a problem...........

What I am curious about, if you to get on the interstate and travel 70 mph for while and you did a moderate stop. How does the JGC handle in those conditions. Just make sure you do this test in a safe place and nobody is behind you.

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I've found myself in a different set of circumstances, as life goes on. My previous 2 "4 wheelers" were used primarily to commute back and forth to work, during the winter. There were times when I'd be on my way to work before the snow plows had cleared the roads, so my trucks had dedicated snow tires. And other than 2-3 trips to the garden center/lumber yard over the summer, they basically sat from March through November. Therefore, "handling" wasn't as big an issue to me.

Since I've retired, however, my need to be able to clear the path to work, is no longer there. But, we still get an occasional, unpredicted blizzard, which catches the road crews off guard, and I like to be able to get around easily, nonetheless, hence the Nokians on my GC. And as I previously mentioned, I'm finding that the GC is being used a lot more in the warm weather than I initially expected, so the "shortcomings" of the Nokians are more obvious.

Secondly, as I get older, the thought of switching wheels/tires around twice a year, isn't as exciting as it used be, although I should be more specific. It isn't switching the wheels/tires, it's lugging 65 pound wheel/tire assemblies up and down the basement steps, that's the issue. I'm in my mid 60s, and while I'm in decent shape, the back isn't as strong as it used to be. So in that respect, I was hoping the WGR3s would be the "magic bullet" for year-round performance.

With respect to braking, I haven't really experienced any "drama" with the Nokians.




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I bought the alenza 20s and had a total of 7 alenza tires tried and about 5 visits over the course of 2 months with multiple road force/force match and they never could get them balanced properly. Exchanged them for the michelins after 2 months of hell and the michilins were smooth as silk the first time out the door.

Since I've been researching a second set of tires for my GC, I've been pouring all over the various tire retailer websites, and found something of interest. While I didn't see too many negative experiences reported with the Bridgestones, as you've had, I did see that the Alenzas are a heavy tire. They're listed on the 'Tire rack' website as weighing 40 pounds, compared to the Michelin Premier LTX, at 33 pounds. 7 pounds in unsprung/rotational weight is a LOT!
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Since I've been researching a second set of tires for my GC, I've been pouring all over the various tire retailer websites, and found something of interest. While I didn't see too many negative experiences reported with the Bridgestones, as you've had, I did see that the Alenzas are a heavy tire. They're listed on the 'Tire rack' website as weighing 40 pounds, compared to the Michelin Premier LTX, at 33 pounds. 7 pounds in unsprung/rotational weight is a LOT!
They did feel like i was driving around on rocks they were a very stiff tire. Around town they wernt too bad except for the stiffness. But at highway speeds watch the stearing wheel shake no mater what they did or how many replacements they put on. All was fine the first time out after putting the michelins on, Ill never stray from michilins again. Also to note mine were the alenza, the alenza plus came out a few months after, same tread and design just stiffer compound for higher mileage
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Re: Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza Plus or Michelin Defender LTX M/S

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They did feel like i was driving around on rocks they were a very stiff tire. Around town they wernt too bad except for the stiffness. But at highway speeds watch the stearing wheel shake no mater what they did or how many replacements they put on. All was fine the first time out after putting the michelins on, Ill never stray from michilins again. Also to note mine were the alenza, the alenza plus came out a few months after, same tread and design just stiffer compound for higher mileage

Actually, I believe the Alenza "Plus" has a "V" speed rating, and the sidewalls are a stiffer construction, to handle the potential higher speeds. However, at the same time, the Michelin Premier is available in both "T" and "V" speed ratings, and I would assume the "V" rated tires have a stiffer sidewall. Do you happen to recall which Michelins you bought?
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Actually, I believe the Alenza "Plus" has a "V" speed rating, and the sidewalls are a stiffer construction, to handle the potential higher speeds. However, at the same time, the Michelin Premier is available in both "T" and "V" speed ratings, and I would assume the "V" rated tires have a stiffer sidewall. Do you happen to recall which Michelins you bought?
I bought the latitude tour HP 265/50R20, the HPs are a bit different tread then the regular latitude tours that came stock on the 18s. They have been a great tire with the exception of iam wearing them down quick they will be done at 30-35k miles. They are discontinuing the HP with the premier being their replacement. I will be going with the michilian defender this time around. If you want a little bit of off road use the defender is a good choice if you are all on road id go with premier. Both good tires and both come in 265/50R20.

Also Bridgestone corporate was terrible to deal with in returning those 7 alenzas even with the tire installer screaming that they would not road force balance properly. Miserable rude company but they finally credited the installer as defective, all 7 of them lol.

That was the first time i strayed from michelian in 20 years, never again.
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The more I look at the reviews the more the more I like the premier LTX for my 15 altitude that or the toyo Celsius cuv. This jeep is strictly on the road and for snow. I want something quiet and decent in the snow. The defenders look like a good tire but wouldn't be going off-road. Picking the right tire is a PITA. Lol


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The more I look at the reviews the more the more I like the premier LTX for my 15 altitude that or the toyo Celsius cuv. This jeep is strictly on the road and for snow. I want something quiet and decent in the snow. The defenders look like a good tire but wouldn't be going off-road. Picking the right tire is a PITA. Lol


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Re: Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza Plus or Michelin Defender LTX M/S

I just had the Michelin Premier LTX, 255-55-20, installed for $790.00 plus I'll get another $70 rebate card back for a total of $720.00. Pretty great deal. After a short ride these are very smooth and quiet and seem to handle the bumps a little better since I have a larger sidewall now. I'll update with more miles.
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Yes it is also PITA, but it is fun too. In the above case you are comparing an all-season to an all-weather tire.

Yea I know wasn't comparing just two of my choices. Toyo would be better in the snow but the premier is a good all around tire. I seem to change back and forth between 4 different tires. Lol. My wife drives it so I don't want anything to aggressive.


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Re: Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza Plus or Michelin Defender LTX M/S

Picked up some Michelin Defender LTX yesterday from Tire Discount. Improvement from the Goodyear Fortera.




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