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Re: Has anyone used the Bilstein 5100s?

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Amazing ride!!! Im currently running 275x65r18 Toyo ATs on em wheels with out any rubbing issues but want to add the bilsteins for a better off road ride and to raise the front a little bit.

Still looking for a set of 18x9 wheels I like, but with a +15 or +30 offset to avoid rubbing issues
Thanks boss. The 0 offset looks so awesome in person I am ok having to trim a little. I will post up the fender / pinch weld modification later when I get around to it.

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Re: Has anyone used the Bilstein 5100s?

For anybody seeking information on pinch weld modification for 2011+ aka WK2 its the exact same process as the WK , etc

If anyone made it to this post via a web search. If you need to do this or thinking about doing it its really not that hard or scary

Buy some stuff that you most likely don't have

1) safety glasses
2) electric cutoff wheel (you can use a hand saw or sawzall as well)
3) spraypaint for rust prevention - I chose flat black
4) get some work gloves that will protect you from sparks if youre using a cutoff wheel
5) Jack stands... if you don't already have them.
6) Flathead screwdriver to pop off plastic retaining nuts/screws. If you don't have a flathead screwdriver we might need to talk
7) couple zip ties - I ended up using zip ties to temporarily hold the carpet back so I could work on the area, this way I didn't have to completely remove the fender carpet



1) Loosen your lugs on your front wheels
2) Jack your jeep up, yes the factory jack will work even though its horrible. Pop out a couple plastic push pins and pull back fender liner/carpet. You will know exactly which 2 I'm talking about when you get there.
3) Use jack stands or a spare to put under the vehicle as a fail safe if jack fails
4) Locate pinch weld - you can freestyle this part but I physically cut the carpet out of this area, I have seen some guys simply form the carpet back to fit, I don't really care
5) Make notches with your cutoff wheel, use safety glasses because sparks are going to go everywhere
6) Use a hammer or a mallet to knock the pinch weld towards the engine / inside
7) Hit the area with some sandpaper, clean area with alcohol or windex, etc
8) Coat area with a few coats of whatever you want - I chose flat black paint


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Re: Has anyone used the Bilstein 5100s?

Hi. Looks great. I've been doing a lot of research on the 5100's and have also looked at why the load leveling sat lower for you when you changed the rear shocks. From what I found out, the load leveling uses a heavier shock and softer spring than the standard suspension. So if you add a regular shock, or 5100, with the load leveling spring, the rear will actually sag. He other end of that is if you add regular springs to the load leveling shocks, you will get some lift. So long story short, if you switch from load leveling shocks to any other that are standard style, you will have to replace the springs as well. The shocks could be a source for a lift though when combined with standard springs.
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Old 04-13-2016, 11:08 AM
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Re: Has anyone used the Bilstein 5100s?

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Hi. Looks great. I've been doing a lot of research on the 5100's and have also looked at why the load leveling sat lower for you when you changed the rear shocks. From what I found out, the load leveling uses a heavier shock and softer spring than the standard suspension. So if you add a regular shock, or 5100, with the load leveling spring, the rear will actually sag. He other end of that is if you add regular springs to the load leveling shocks, you will get some lift. So long story short, if you switch from load leveling shocks to any other that are standard style, you will have to replace the springs as well. The shocks could be a source for a lift though when combined with standard springs.
I can vouch for this theory as correct.
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Re: Has anyone used the Bilstein 5100s?

I did this exact thing on my 2014, and putting standard shocks in the rear made it sag hard and was just super sloppy feeling.. like a 78 caddy.. Eibach will sell you just the rear shocks/springs from their leveling kit.. and the rear is nice.. the front was a giant mistake.

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Hi. Looks great. I've been doing a lot of research on the 5100's and have also looked at why the load leveling sat lower for you when you changed the rear shocks. From what I found out, the load leveling uses a heavier shock and softer spring than the standard suspension. So if you add a regular shock, or 5100, with the load leveling spring, the rear will actually sag. He other end of that is if you add regular springs to the load leveling shocks, you will get some lift. So long story short, if you switch from load leveling shocks to any other that are standard style, you will have to replace the springs as well. The shocks could be a source for a lift though when combined with standard springs.
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Re: Has anyone used the Bilstein 5100s?

BTW... i see guys saying they undid the CV from the hub.. i normally just pop it out of the trans.. wasn't it easier undoing it from the hub?

P.S. where do you guys order from? i was gonna order from 4wheelparts then went and read some reviews.. WOW and no thanks....
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Re: Has anyone used the Bilstein 5100s?

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I did this exact thing on my 2014, and putting standard shocks in the rear made it sag hard and was just super sloppy feeling.. like a 78 caddy.. Eibach will sell you just the rear shocks/springs from their leveling kit.. and the rear is nice.. the front was a giant mistake.
Hold on. When I was trying to buy my Eibach springs, I actually spoke with Eibach directly (Anna Salgado to be exact in their sales department) and they would not sell just the rear springs. They would only sell me the full lift kit (springs only PN # 28108.640 )
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Re: Has anyone used the Bilstein 5100s?

I actually spoke with them once about that as well and they said they could not sell their springs alone. you could probably find someone willing to sell their OE springs or just get the OME 2" lift springs but then you might want to stiffen the front with some icon coilovers or OME
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I actually spoke with them once about that as well and they said they could not sell their springs alone. you could probably find someone willing to sell their OE springs or just get the OME 2" lift springs but then you might want to stiffen the front with some icon coilovers or OME
This is what Eibach will do:

1) Sell you the full Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit: shocks + springs (4 corners) Part numbers:
All terrain lift kit with factory tow: 28107.980
All terrain lift kit with-out factory tow: 28108.980

2) Sell you the "Pro Truck Lift Kit" : PN# 28108.640 which are 4 springs from the All Terrain Lift Kit


This is what Eibach will not do:

- They won't sell you individual springs (aka rears or just fronts) UNLESS you had a failure from a previous purchase that you can provide proof of purchase for


Also:

Anna Salgado in sales at Eibach CONFIRMED to me that the rear springs that come in both All Terrain Lift kits (whether you have factory tow or not) is the exact same. The only difference is the shock OR shock mount. (I assume its just the mount though)
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Re: Has anyone used the Bilstein 5100s?

Weird.. they told me they would.. but it was a tech guy not a salesperson... btw.. i wont ever buy eibach again after these.. it's jut horrible. soon as i find a place to get them ill order the 5100's

P.S. just ordered the 5100 fronts.. will craigslist the eibach's after i get this setup


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This is what Eibach will do:

1) Sell you the full Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit: shocks + springs (4 corners) Part numbers:
All terrain lift kit with factory tow: 28107.980
All terrain lift kit with-out factory tow: 28108.980

2) Sell you the "Pro Truck Lift Kit" : PN# 28108.640 which are 4 springs from the All Terrain Lift Kit


This is what Eibach will not do:

- They won't sell you individual springs (aka rears or just fronts) UNLESS you had a failure from a previous purchase that you can provide proof of purchase for


Also:

Anna Salgado in sales at Eibach CONFIRMED to me that the rear springs that come in both All Terrain Lift kits (whether you have factory tow or not) is the exact same. The only difference is the shock OR shock mount. (I assume its just the mount though)
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Re: Has anyone used the Bilstein 5100s?

Who has noticed a ride quality improvement with the 5100s? I felt like there was a big difference but I also took my sway bars off at the same time.

Then I recommended the 5100s to someone and he said he couldn't tell a difference in ride quality.
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Who has noticed a ride quality improvement with the 5100s? I felt like there was a big difference but I also took my sway bars off at the same time.

Then I recommended the 5100s to someone and he said he couldn't tell a difference in ride quality.
I think the 5100s improved ride quality but it might just be in my head

Also - sway bars. Very aggressive to completely remove them but I dig it. I am researching quick sway disconnects rather than remove them as I like having them when I'm on the road. Tons of curvy highway / hilly roads here that sways are nice. Wondering what your mindset was here
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