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Wanna tell me how a endlink that's nearly twice as thick won't help handling any? Or how much the stock one flexes?

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What does the stock one bend up like a pretzel when your cornering then straiten out after? The stock links may have more deflection in the bushing ends but unless they are worn out and loose, your not going to gain anything "noticeable" by installing them.
Road noise and vibration coming through the link into the chassis? Thats a different story. Any poly bushing will add that, thats why OEM's don't use them.
Set up a 60' slalom and run your Jeep through it and swap back and forth on the links and tell me how much speed you gained by adding the links.

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What does the stock one bend up like a pretzel when your cornering then straiten out after? The stock links may have more deflection in the bushing ends but unless they are worn out and loose, your not going to gain anything "noticeable" by installing them.
Road noise and vibration coming through the link into the chassis? Thats a different story. Any poly bushing will add that, thats why OEM's don't use them.
Set up a 60' slalom and run your Jeep through it and swap back and forth on the links and tell me how much speed you gained by adding the links.
If you say so. I'm not gonna argue with you. My personal experience tells me what I know and from the sounds of it you haven't experienced an upgraded link.

So here's a thought. Stop being a kill joy, your sound like dsmfun
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If you say so. I'm not gonna argue with you. My personal experience tells me what I know and from the sounds of it you haven't experienced an upgraded link.

So here's a thought. Stop being a kill joy, your sound like dsmfun
You were right, I just put a set of links on and my Jeep handles like a corvette now, no wait better than a vette more like a Enzo Ferrari. My bad.
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You were right, I just put a set of links on and my Jeep handles like a corvette now, no wait better than a vette more like a Enzo Ferrari. My bad.
Wow you are bad at sarcasm, I could have hid it better then that.
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You were right, I just put a set of links on and my Jeep handles like a corvette now, no wait better than a vette more like a Enzo Ferrari. My bad.
I don't believe that you are the one paying for my parts.

We are trying to have an educational discussion here, so can you either keep it constructive and inform us with knowledge that keeps this thread/ forum informative, or otherwise find the nearest "off topic" thread where you can talk about how the fiat parts in your jeep make it handle like a Ferrari.
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Wow you are bad at sarcasm, I could have hid it better then that.
I wasn't trying to hide it, maybe I should have. Don't get me wrong here, its your jeep and feel free to spend $$ on it how you see fit but your telling people that the links alone will make a noticeable difference in handling, Im saying they don't. We can disagree right?
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I don't believe that you are the one paying for my parts.

We are trying to have an educational discussion here, so can you either keep it constructive and inform us with knowledge that keeps this thread/ forum informative, or otherwise find the nearest "off topic" thread where you can talk about how the fiat parts in your jeep make it handle like a Ferrari.
Up to the Ferrari comment I was being factual. Adding the links alone to the WK2 will not offer any noticeable gains. Can we agree on that at least?
For the $200 for the rear links cost, you could add a pair of Bilstien shocks for less money and get a increase in handling you can feel and see if if you were to actually run it through a 60' slalom or even a road course, not that your going to.
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Re: Hellwig Rear Sway Bar

I finally had some time to install the swaybars and the blackops endlinks today. All in all it took me about 2 hours, where most of the time was on the rear, as it took a bit of wrestling to get the bar out. I did it with the car in OR2 and on ramps, the wheels never needed to come off.

This is the part number of the rear bar on my 2015 Summit EcoDiesel: 68184508AA, which seems to be the standard on all but the SRT8.



I took some pics of the OEM one vs the hellwig:



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I also did the front SRT8 Swaybar at the same time, however, that may have been a waste of money, as they look and feel eerie similar.




EcoDiesel part number 68184512AA vs SRT8 part number 68184511AA



After installing I took the car for a short drive around the block, but until I take it on the freeway and on some twisties, I can't give a verdict on the improvements.
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Did you happen to weigh the front bars? Are they different weights?


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Did you happen to weigh the front bars? Are they different weights?


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I did not weigh them for real, I just compared them in my hands, and they are definitely both solid, the OEM EcoDiesel one is not hollow.

I didn't take pics of it, but I measured the OD, they have the same diameter.
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I did not weigh them for real, I just compared them in my hands, and they are definitely both solid, the OEM EcoDiesel one is not hollow.

I didn't take pics of it, but I measured the OD, they have the same diameter.

I think the front bar will still help. It has to be stronger bar. It may not show as much improvement as the rear bar. I still may order the front SRT bar and hopefully I can get the hellwig rear bar put on soon. The SRT bars made a world of difference on my WK and the stock handling is far better on my 15 altitude than when my WK was stock.


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I think the front bar will still help. It has to be stronger bar. It may not show as much improvement as the rear bar. I still may order the front SRT bar and hopefully I can get the hellwig rear bar put on soon. The SRT bars made a world of difference on my WK and the stock handling is far better on my 15 altitude than when my WK was stock.

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