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Old 12-02-2015, 03:08 PM
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Re: Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Nokian WRG3 SUV

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I am close to pulling the trigger one one of the above tires. Can you please provide your thoughts on one versus the other. I live in Seattle and travel up to Canada and Snow country a few times every winter.

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Re: Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Nokian WRG3 SUV

My experience with the Michelin tires were that they needed a few hundred miles to break in and get all of the new tire tips worn off. Then they were smooth in the highway. With both the Michelin LTX and the Saharas the Jeep is much more bouncy at low speeds. On the highway the suspension is fine and the tires are warmed so the sidewalls have a bit more give in them to soak up those minor cracks and bumps in the pavement. Plus you are moving over them at more than twice the speed so it just feels like a better ride.

I can say that the Michelins are lighter tires and the Jeep doesn't ride like a tank, where it does with the Kelly Saharas on the original 2011 wheels. Probably about 10 lbs per tire but it really makes a difference when centrifugal force kicks in at lower speeds and highway speeds as well. In bad weather like slush and snow the heavier Sahara and wheel combination feels less jumpy without movement of the steering wheel where the Michelin in Summer in the 2015 wheels did have a little more play at high speeds and in bad stretches of pavement on the highways. I like the heavier tires in Winter but greatly prefer the ease of lane changes and turning on curves in the roads in the warmer weather. It interesting to have both tires to directly compare too. I had them changed the day before our first freeze here. No accumulation of snow here that's lasted more than an hour but they are starting to put some salt down for mornings with black I've as it been raining a lot while hovering around the freezing pint during rainy overcast days. Both tires serve their purposes. I did take out a WK2 with 20" wheels and Forteras and found them to give a rougher ride. So I keep the 18" wheels because than extra amount of sidewall really helps with overall ride and with Winter driving as well.
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Re: Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Nokian WRG3 SUV

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I was really concerned about this before I bought them. Absolutely not a problem though. I am very happy now that they are broken in. I'd have to say the best tires I've owned so far. They really have transformed the Jeep. Each new driving condition does nothing but build confidence in them. I drive fairly spirited but not foolishly. I have incrementally pushed them a little at a time and am amazed you can make this 4900+ lb handle this well. Very quiet (HUGE improvement) very smooth. As stated the only thing I haven't had them in ice or snow yet.


The Forterras were Ok on bumps, these are MUCH better. These corner MUCH better, wet or dry. Stopping is in a whole other league with these. I will give the Forterras kudos in the snow and ice, I was VERY surprised but I'd bet that had a lot to do with the traction control and snow mode and balance of the Jeep. I did get 40k out of them but I was expecting more miles than that. I rotated them every oil change btw.

I was considering the Pirelli's as that is what the 2016's are suppose to be riding on. I wasn't liking the tread pattern and less tread depth of the Premier LTX's either, thinking they'd be a soft compound and wear too quickly. I read a ton of reviews on Tire Rack, mfg's etc. None of the top tires were really all around great. There really wasn't any on the Defender LTX's though. I bought these based on the reviews but more on my good experience with M/S2's. I'm glad I trusted my gut!


I'd definitely recommend them
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Old 12-02-2015, 04:06 PM
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Re: Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Nokian WRG3 SUV

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Silvermax04...

I was really concerned about this before I bought them. Absolutely not a problem though. I am very happy now that they are broken in. I'd have to say the best tires I've owned so far. They really have transformed the Jeep. Each new driving condition does nothing but build confidence in them. I drive fairly spirited but not foolishly. I have incrementally pushed them a little at a time and am amazed you can make this 4900+ lb handle this well. Very quiet (HUGE improvement) very smooth. As stated the only thing I haven't had them in ice or snow yet.


The Forterras were Ok on bumps, these are MUCH better. These corner MUCH better, wet or dry. Stopping is in a whole other league with these. I will give the Forterras kudos in the snow and ice, I was VERY surprised but I'd bet that had a lot to do with the traction control and snow mode and balance of the Jeep. I did get 40k out of them but I was expecting more miles than that. I rotated them every oil change btw.

I was considering the Pirelli's as that is what the 2016's are suppose to be riding on. I wasn't liking the tread pattern and less tread depth of the Premier LTX's either, thinking they'd be a soft compound and wear too quickly. I read a ton of reviews on Tire Rack, mfg's etc. None of the top tires were really all around great. There really wasn't any on the Defender LTX's though. I bought these based on the reviews but more on my good experience with M/S2's. I'm glad I trusted my gut!


I'd definitely recommend them
Glad you are liking them, I'm anxious to hear how they do in the winter. I'm currently on the Michelin Latitude Tour HP 265/50R20 they have been a good tire on road. But I like the Defenders because they have more of chunkier tread that should give a little better mild offroad and hopefully snow use than some of these touring tires in this size. I'm sure the Pirelli they are putting on the 2016s will be a good highway cruiser but I was not that impressed with the tread either didn't look like something id want to take on mild off road or beach. Defender seems to capture a little bit of everything, kind of a tire I see matching up well with the grand Cherokee. was a little disappointed they did not put the defender on as the stock tire for the 2016s but anything is an improvement over the forteras and the Pirellis will be a long needed improvement.
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Re: Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Nokian WRG3 SUV

I read a bunch of reviews on the Pirellis that praised them. Tire rack has a video review. But I kept seeing low treadlife complaints. The tread design is similar to newer gen snow/ice designs as are the Premiers. They also have oil for cold temps to keep them pliable. Like you I'm not so sure about anything but highway driving and concerned about the lower treadlife. I had the MS2's on a Ram 2500. I put a couple hundred pounds of sand bags in the back and it was still light in the rear even though I had it leveled. It was very good in 4WDH in the snow and ice on the road. If I overpowered it (a hemi) of course it would get squirrely. I drove it offroad through mud, loose gravel, wet grass and ice and snow and was never looking for more tire. The Defenders are "suppose" to be an improvement especially in stopping and more sipes for ice. I can't wait for the snow!
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Re: Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Nokian WRG3 SUV

I am happy to report that the tires have quieted down quite a bit which is good.

I am however noticing a decrease in gas mileage from the old OEM tires of about 1.5mpg. Is that expected when switching to a light truck tire?
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Re: Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Nokian WRG3 SUV

Greetings,

The rule of thumb is, the heavier the tire the loss of mpg. Unless the tire is using the new softer compounds that you get lower rolling resistance.

The other important factor to consider is now that we are getting the winter blend of gas, you do loose mpg. You might pick mpg when they switch to summer blend later on. If you have access to pure gas such as a marina, you can try that to establish your mpg with new tires.

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Re: Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Nokian WRG3 SUV

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Greetings,

The rule of thumb is, the heavier the tire the loss of mpg. Unless the tire is using the new softer compounds that you get lower rolling resistance.

The other important factor to consider is now that we are getting the winter blend of gas, you do loose mpg. You might pick mpg when they switch to summer blend later on. If you have access to pure gas such as a marina, you can try that to establish your mpg with new tires.

Best for now.
Thanks for the reply. I did think about the switch over to winter blend, but the timing was so lined up with the tire install I'm not sure

I assume this is considered a "heavier" tire than the OEM Goodyear?
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Thanks for the reply. I did think about the switch over to winter blend, but the timing was so lined up with the tire install I'm not sure

I assume this is considered a "heavier" tire than the OEM Goodyear?

The Fortera weighs in at 33#
The Defender is 37#

4# difference. Not sure overall what that would do to mpg??? It would take more to get it moving, but would it make up for it in inertia??

Sprung weight does make quite a bit of difference, but materials and construction can mitigate that as far as ride and handling.
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Re: Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Nokian WRG3 SUV

Greetings,

A 1.5 dip in mpg is not uncommon with these type of tires. But, with only a 4# difference in additional weight per tire, it should not be that dramatic.

mjodotcom, if you have not done any fuel cleaning service to the JGC, you might want to try that. General, this time of year, I lose anywhere between 1 to 2 MPG depending were I fill up here in the NorthEast.

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Re: Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Nokian WRG3 SUV

Any new updates on the winter performance of the Defenders? I'm planning on having my dealer swap the OEM's (not sure if they will be the Bridgestone H/L 422 or Perelli Scorpion Verde) for the Defender LTX, before I even take delivery of my 2016. I'm hoping they will give me a big credit for the unused OEM tires...maybe $200-$300 out of pocket for the Defenders.
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Any new updates on the winter performance of the Defenders? I'm planning on having my dealer swap the OEM's (not sure if they will be the Bridgestone H/L 422 or Perelli Scorpion Verde) for the Defender LTX, before I even take delivery of my 2016. I'm hoping they will give me a big credit for the unused OEM tires...maybe $200-$300 out of pocket for the Defenders.

Just had 37" of dry powder here in Md. which I did not even attempt to go out in because I was sorta plowed in by 6' mounds at the end of my driveway. I did venture out 3 days later. Most primary roads were one lane with some dry pavement. I found a couple country roads that had been driven on that had about a foot of compressed snow and a little bit of drifted untouched sections. The Defenders performed admirably, no slippage starting, stopping or turning. I stopped and looked at the treads and they seem to evacuate almost completely which the original Forterras did not do. I really didn't get a chance to drive in slushy snow so I can't comment there. In my opinion these are very good all season tires for snow. Having said that I think the Jeep itself is more of a factor and of course driving ability too. For what it's worth the Scorpions are rated highly for snow and ice too. They were my first choice when the Defenders were not available in a 265/50/20 size yet. Personally I would save the money and wear the Pirellis out then see what is on the market. jmho
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