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Hi guys, thanks to the JeepGarage , I bought my 1st overland 4 years ago , in 2012 . And now looking for new tires . I drive long distances on HWY , also need it to be good on rain and snow ( since I ldrive a lot to the mountains) and be able to do light off road . Looks like I narrowed it down to Michellin defender, Pirelli scorpion all season Plus, Yokohama and Bridgestone dueler. I am getting different recommendations from Discount tire and jeep dealership . Would appreciate any advise . Thank you , Cleopatra
Greetings,

Since you have to deal with Mountain snow on your trips, look for a tire that has the softer tire compound which gives the better gripper power for traction. In conjunction with the softer tire compound, siping in the tire block is a most. These 2 components go hand in hand. These tire will find in the category of all-weather all-season.

The 3rd factor to consider is the tread depth. As we all know mountain conditions can change in a blink of an eye. IMHO, it pays to have the extra depth.

For highway tires my 3 choices:

Nokan WR3 SUV, Michelin Defender & Michelin Premier (if tread depth is not a factor for you).

For A/T tires my 3 choices:

Nokian Rotiiva AT, Falken Wildpeak A/T3W & Nitto Grappler G2


All of my suggestions will also be excellent for the other 3 season.

Best for now.

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My tire guy told me this morning that Nokian recently sent a memo that they have reformulated the rubber compound in the WR G3 for longer tread life while still maintaining the snowflake/mountain designation.
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Re: MICHELIN Premier LTX

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Hi guys, thanks to the JeepGarage , I bought my 1st overland 4 years ago , in 2012 . And now looking for new tires . I drive long distances on HWY , also need it to be good on rain and snow ( since I ldrive a lot to the mountains) and be able to do light off road . Looks like I narrowed it down to Michellin defender, Pirelli scorpion all season Plus, Yokohama and Bridgestone dueler. I am getting different recommendations from Discount tire and jeep dealership . Would appreciate any advise . Thank you , Cleopatra
Thanks to our friendly local climate, I have been able to compare the Michelin and Pirelli Scorpion All Season Plus today. Just converted to the Pirellis.
I'd give wet traction a tossup with the Michelin, with Pirelli a bit better in not trying to water ski thru the deep stuff at higher speeds as much.
LIGHT snow traction, a teeny tiny nod to the Michelin, where either can handle moderate snow, particularly the nice wet sloppy stuff, but neither is a hard core snow tire--that you may not need.

What is Discount recommending? Don't recall if there is a Michelin rebate in action, but there was a $60 Pirelli rebate, plus they are a tad less costly than the Michelin and seem to do just as well in the goofy stuff.

On the minus side, the Pirelli seems to have more noticeable [in the wheel, and noise] "pothole slap" as you enjoy our country's lovely and well maintained roads, plus it doesn't seem to have quite as much of the "riding on railroad rails" feel that Michelins are famous for. Traction to my senses is pretty equal for the two, just feel and slightly noisier on the Pirelli.

They have a lower wear rating, but the Michelins never came within 100 yards of theirs either...
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Re: MICHELIN Premier LTX

Thank you everybody , Discount Tire recommends #1 choice Michellin defender, #2- Yokohama , #3 - Pirelli scorpion verde all season Plus, #4- Bridgestone dueler. They are saying that Pirelli is not good for light off roading , because "it's soft and more freeway tire" . Also , do I need to do an alignment after installing brand new tires? Discount tire says I don't need to , but Jeep dealer says its a must .
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Re: MICHELIN Premier LTX

[QUOTE=lstowell;1331481]Thanks to our friendly local climate, I have been able to compare the Michelin and Pirelli Scorpion All Season Plus today. Just converted to the Pirellis.
I'd give wet traction a tossup with the Michelin, with Pirelli a bit better in not trying to water ski thru the deep stuff at higher speeds as much.
LIGHT snow traction, a teeny tiny nod to the Michelin, where either can handle moderate snow, particularly the nice wet sloppy stuff, but neither is a hard core snow tire--that you may not need.

What is Discount recommending? Don't recall if there is a Michelin rebate in action, but there was a $60 Pirelli rebate, plus they are a tad less costly than the Michelin and seem to do just as well in the goofy stuff.

On the minus side, the Pirelli seems to have more noticeable [in the wheel, and noise] "pothole slap" as you enjoy our country's lovely and well maintained roads, plus it doesn't seem to have quite as much of the "riding on railroad rails" feel that Michelins are famous for. Traction to my senses is pretty equal for the two, just feel and slightly noisier on the Pirelli.

They have a lower wear rating, but the Michelins never came within 100 yards of theirs either...
I am trying to figure out the saying "riding on railroad rails" is the positive thing or negative , since English is not my first language , LOL
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Thank you everybody , Discount Tire recommends #1 choice Michellin defender, #2- Yokohama , #3 - Pirelli scorpion verde all season Plus, #4- Bridgestone dueler. They are saying that Pirelli is not good for light off roading , because "it's soft and more freeway tire" . Also , do I need to do an alignment after installing brand new tires? Discount tire says I don't need to , but Jeep dealer says its a must .
Cleopatra
Go with the Defender, you won't regret it. If your Jeep is 4 years old, definitely go ahead and get the alignment after the new tires are on. Btw, based on my own experience, I would put the Dueler (AT Revo) at #2, as I had them on a Pathfinder at one time and they were great.

Also, FYI, the day my Jeep was delivered to the dealership, I had the brand new Pirelli Verdes replaced with Defenders. That's how much I wanted those tires!
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I always do alignment when new tires go on if it hasn't been done recently for other reasons. It's not that expensive and gets you started without anything amiss that could cause extra wear early.
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I agree with the Defenders and the alignment. I did Defenders and alignment few weeks ago. Actually at the dealer for a redo on the alingment as they screwed it up ghe first time.

Was actually funny because when i drove into the service bay today to have them redo the alignment again for cocked steering wheel, two posts started flashing in the bay as i drove by. A tech hands the service advisor a piece of paper with a failure alignment and a picture of my jeep and the failed specs, ghey can check this in seconds now as you drive in. Service advisor says with a smile your jeeps out of alignment i said i know thats why im here you guys aligned it wrong a few days ago, he says oh are you sure we did. I say yes im sure lol.
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Re: MICHELIN Premier LTX

I actually went to discount tires 2 days ago and got the Michelin Premiere LTX which are M&S rated for 265/50/20.
Driving in the Buckley area (lower land), Pacific Northwest,

Highway riding about 70%
Elevation riding about 5000 ft about 20%
City 10%
Maybe 1 or twice a year I will go on a fire trail...

Cost OTD (tax, mounting, Old tires, etc etc) was 630$ (I am including the $50 rebate card I will get mailed back to me)

BTW..I am curious , when there defenders tire depth gets worn to 8/32 will the that mean they will have less traction than a new michelin premiere LTX in the snow ?

Thought that was a pretty good deal...

Figured if i ever need to go out in the snow and play, or stuck I would get class-s chains...

Much better than the goodyear and quieter at all speed levels. Handles better in the turns, and decent enough in loose gravel.

All kinds of different types of snow out there. Wet, Dry, Hard packed..If I was going to be doing lots of snow driving i would opt for the winter tire myself...and use for that purpose...enjoy the salted roads and be careful!
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BTW..I am curious , when there defenders tire depth gets worn to 8/32 will the that mean they will have less traction than a new michelin premiere LTX in the snow ?

Greetings,

Both tires use different compounds. The following might help you answer your question.

The rule of thumb is, depending on the tire, after certain amount of wear, you do loose traction. For winter, they say depending on the manufacture once you past 40% of tread wear you start loosing and by the time you reach 60% the effectiveness of the traction is gone. The key element in tread wear for snow, if still have the siping as it was designed for, then you still have some sort of traction griping. The other element not be over look is tread depth. If your tread depth is low, then you need to judge how deep or even how light snow to drive in.

As for the other 3 seasons, tread wear becomes issue for wet conditions. The tread depth is very important. The danger becomes hydroplaning. To me, hydroplaning is just as dangerous as ice. You really do not want to be floating on water. This were tread depth becomes a factor here for the water to evacuate.

The Defender is a harder compound than the Primer which uses a softer compound for improved gripping power. I believe it is very similar, but improved over the Michelin M/S2. Many here have or had the M/S2 and got great mileage out of them with excellent results in all seasons. Your tire, the Premier, is technically new, but it is a vast improvement over the Latitudes. Personally, I think of it as the next version with a new name.

I have not seen any reviews with high milage and how they handle in the snow as of now. For now, it looks like the only thing to go by is Michelin's specification information.

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Re: MICHELIN Premier LTX

The points that 1stJeepCC brings up are also the reason why "nobody" every can safely get the "full" stated tread mileage life that tires are typically marketed with. Once you get beyond 50-60% of the tread life, the performance gets degraded to the point that it's literally a "different tire". So while those "long life" specifications look great when you're buying, don't think for a moment your tires are going to last anywhere close to that long unless you only drive straight on a perfect surface for every mile.
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