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Need Some Tire Advice - Continental or Pirelli?

Guys,
I've been doing a lot of reading trying to decide which tire to get out of the Continental CrossContact LX20 and the Pirelli Scorpion Verde.

I currently have Nitto 421Q's and they are just not working out for me. I have not been able to solve the ride issue/vibrations at highway speeds and Discount Tire has agreed to swap them out for me.

Looking for a tire that is good on the road, in the rain and decent in snow (Michigan). Mild off road (hunting, 2 tracks, etc)

I've read lots of great things about the Continentals but not much info about the Pirelli's.

Thoughts, etc greatly appreciated!

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Re: Need Some Tire Advice - Continental or Pirelli?

Jiffster, you are going to get lots of comments with that question! My only comment is the I had Scorpions on our Volvo XC-70 several years and the wear was terrible, but different strokes for different folks. Good hunting.
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Re: Need Some Tire Advice - Continental or Pirelli?

Hi, the Nitto 421Q looks like it would be a great tire. Especially that treadwear rating. I've always found the Nitto to be more geared toward lightweight, 4 cyl street cars not 4WD heavyweights like the Jeep.

I have a '14 SRT with the Run-flat Pirelli Scorpion Verdes. The aren't too bad and the treadwear has been good but the stiff sidewall makes for a harsh ride plus they are super expensive to replace. It's like Jeep used the Run-flat as a crutch because of the power and weight behind the SRT.

I recently purchased a set of Toyo Proxes S/T II's to put on after much research and find a very good price and hard to replace sizes for the SRT. I looked at Continental Cross Contacts and they don't seem to compare from what I've read and on websites like Tirerack or 1010Tires.com

I'm not sure about snow or minor off roading because I don't partake in either so I can't comment. I'm at ~35% treadlife and the Verdes are getting really noisy, a bit of vibration and I'm slipping a bit in the wet...which can be fun at times.

If you do any offroading (30%) have you considered Cooper Zeon LTZ?
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Guys,
I've been doing a lot of reading trying to decide which tire to get out of the Continental CrossContact LX20 and the Pirelli Scorpion Verde.

I currently have Nitto 421Q's and they are just not working out for me. I have not been able to solve the ride issue/vibrations at highway speeds and Discount Tire has agreed to swap them out for me.

Looking for a tire that is good on the road, in the rain and decent in snow (Michigan). Mild off road (hunting, 2 tracks, etc)

I've read lots of great things about the Continentals but not much info about the Pirelli's.

Thoughts, etc greatly appreciated!
Living in Michigan the Nokian WRG3 SUV might be a good one to consider also. Its an all season with accent on snow.
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Re: Need Some Tire Advice - Continental or Pirelli?

So I will throw in my opinion, I have actually had both on my overland within the last 5k miles - love discount tires service and the ability to switch out if you are not happy!

Continental CrossContact LX20:
These tires were VERY quiet and very smooth, very supple in feel and absorbed small bumps very well, but larger bumps and some expansion joints seemed to upset the confident feel of the tire, they were just a tad to 'floaty'. Had these put on right before the biblical flood season we just finished up in Dallas, and they worked very well in the wet. What I didn't like about hem was their on center feel on the interstate and their handling. They just seemed to wander and not track very well, requiring you to pay a bit more attention to stay within the lane. Not horrendous, just not the feel I prefer. I also had a problem with balancing them, tried 3 times and there was always a vibration at 65-70 miles an hour. Though I won't call that a fault of the LX20 line, obviously others are happy with them so I obviously had a bad tire or two.

Pirelli Scorpion Verde All Season PLUS:
Just about as quiet as the LX20, and when I say just about the Pirelli has a HAIR more noise on concrete interstates. They are just about as smooth as the LX20, but more controlled in my opinion, as in they ride a bit more like a car tire. On center feel and tracking on the interstate is better as well, these tires track like performance tires at high speed. Make sure you are looking at the PLUS version of this tire too, there is a non PLUS version

Cant comment on either in the snow, but it looks like on tire rack that the Pirelli does a bit better on snow, but they are still all seasons so neither will be great.

Overall they are both great tires, I would say the Pirelli has a bit more performance while the Conti has a bit more comfort. Not sure if you have the 18" or the 20" but when you are in the 20" size you have a much lower profile to tire choice starts to matter a bit more. Happy to answer any questions as well if you have specific ones. All I will say is beware online review on tirerack, there are earlier versions of both tires and I think some folks get confused and post on the new version site a review of the older version. IE you have some folks posting that they had the Pirellis for 3 years and 50k miles when these haven't been out for 3 years. Don't go off folks experience on earlier tires from the same manufacturer either. Some folks will have a bad experience 5 years ago on a same brand tire in a totally different tread design and write off the brand completely. Both Continental and Pirelli are good brands, and they both make good and bad tires across their entire line.
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Re: Need Some Tire Advice - Continental or Pirelli?

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Hi, the Nitto 421Q looks like it would be a great tire. Especially that treadwear rating.
Yes, I agree and I think it is a good tire. Good wet road traction, good in snow. I just can;t resolve the vibration issue and I'm affraid to risk getting another set of the same tire and having the same issue.

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I'm not sure about snow or minor off roading because I don't partake in either so I can't comment. I'm at ~35% treadlife and the Verdes are getting really noisy, a bit of vibration and I'm slipping a bit in the wet...which can be fun at times.
This is what makes me nervous about the Pirelli's!

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If you do any offroading (30%) have you considered Cooper Zeon LTZ?
I don't really do any off roading. I've had A/T tires on previous vehicles before (79' & 93' Bronco's, F-150, F-250 SD, Grand Cherokee) and I love the look and performance. I just don't need them anymore and I am trying to make my choice based on true need.

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Living in Michigan the Nokian WRG3 SUV might be a good one to consider also. Its an all season with accent on snow.
Yeah, but the $$$!

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So I will throw in my opinion, I have actually had both on my overland within the last 5k miles - love discount tires service and the ability to switch out if you are not happy!

Continental CrossContact LX20:
These tires were VERY quiet and very smooth, very supple in feel and absorbed small bumps very well, but larger bumps and some expansion joints seemed to upset the confident feel of the tire, they were just a tad to 'floaty'. Had these put on right before the biblical flood season we just finished up in Dallas, and they worked very well in the wet. What I didn't like about hem was their on center feel on the interstate and their handling. They just seemed to wander and not track very well, requiring you to pay a bit more attention to stay within the lane. Not horrendous, just not the feel I prefer. I also had a problem with balancing them, tried 3 times and there was always a vibration at 65-70 miles an hour. Though I won't call that a fault of the LX20 line, obviously others are happy with them so I obviously had a bad tire or two.

Pirelli Scorpion Verde All Season PLUS:
Just about as quiet as the LX20, and when I say just about the Pirelli has a HAIR more noise on concrete interstates. They are just about as smooth as the LX20, but more controlled in my opinion, as in they ride a bit more like a car tire. On center feel and tracking on the interstate is better as well, these tires track like performance tires at high speed. Make sure you are looking at the PLUS version of this tire too, there is a non PLUS version

Cant comment on either in the snow, but it looks like on tire rack that the Pirelli does a bit better on snow, but they are still all seasons so neither will be great.

Overall they are both great tires, I would say the Pirelli has a bit more performance while the Conti has a bit more comfort. Not sure if you have the 18" or the 20" but when you are in the 20" size you have a much lower profile to tire choice starts to matter a bit more. Happy to answer any questions as well if you have specific ones. All I will say is beware online review on tirerack, there are earlier versions of both tires and I think some folks get confused and post on the new version site a review of the older version. IE you have some folks posting that they had the Pirellis for 3 years and 50k miles when these haven't been out for 3 years. Don't go off folks experience on earlier tires from the same manufacturer either. Some folks will have a bad experience 5 years ago on a same brand tire in a totally different tread design and write off the brand completely. Both Continental and Pirelli are good brands, and they both make good and bad tires across their entire line.
Well, I am a little gun shy on both of these tires with the mixed reviews. I am leaning a little more towards the Perelli's, in part because the manager at Discount Tire says although he thinks I will like either tire, he has more customer feedback from the Perelli (has sold more). I am a bit reluctant because I've read the wet traction is noticably less than the Conti's and the snow traction reports from the Conti's has been excellent. Yet, I don;t like the tracking reports from the Conti's.

Plus, the Perelli's look like they would get no traction on a slighlty wet/muddy 2 track or wet grassy field.... which is pretty much the extent of my off roading.

Uhh..... what to do?...
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Living in Michigan the Nokian WRG3 SUV might be a good one to consider also. Its an all season with accent on snow.
I guess you all know my opinion on the above tire by now! 11,000 miles on them and so far ....
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Re: Need Some Tire Advice - Continental or Pirelli?

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Guys,
I've been doing a lot of reading trying to decide which tire to get out of the Continental CrossContact LX20 and the Pirelli Scorpion Verde.

I currently have Nitto 421Q's and they are just not working out for me. I have not been able to solve the ride issue/vibrations at highway speeds and Discount Tire has agreed to swap them out for me.

Looking for a tire that is good on the road, in the rain and decent in snow (Michigan). Mild off road (hunting, 2 tracks, etc)

I've read lots of great things about the Continentals but not much info about the Pirelli's.

Thoughts, etc greatly appreciated!
Have you ever concidered the toyo ht. great looking tire. Great wearing and super quiet!
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Have you ever concidered the toyo ht. great looking tire. Great wearing and super quiet!
No, looking into now. Whatever tire I get I need to be able to get them at Discount Tire.

Also, forgot to mention I'm running 265/50 R20
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Re: Need Some Tire Advice - Continental or Pirelli?

Reading a lot more reviews for Perelli Scorpion Verde A/S Plus (Plus being the key) and lots of good reports.

The Nokian WRG3 SUV's sound fantastic but too pricey for me.

Like this one:

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I have only had this tire for a few months, but compared to the OEM Yokohama Geolander it replaced, it's like night and day. Living here in Colorado, we see all types of driving conditions. A couple of months ago, we got 8 inches of hail and so I really wanted to test out these tires; I couldn't make them slide, couldn't make them slip, and they stopped immediately (even on hail pack). Off-road in the dirt and mud traction was amazingly great! I drive a RAV4 4x4 SUV and it now rides like a car; no outside tire noise whatsoever. Makes the old Yokahama's feel like driving on bricks.
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Re: Need Some Tire Advice - Continental or Pirelli?

Don't get nervous over the Pirellis based off someone with an SRT not getting good treatwear on the non-plus version. They are driving on the OEM (non plus) version which states a lower treadwear rating (520 vs 740) and they are driving an SRT. Even if the tires were the same you would wear them out on a 470 HP car faster than a 290 HP, that is assuming they drive their SRT in a manner in which it was marketed/designed.
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Re: Need Some Tire Advice - Continental or Pirelli?

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So I will throw in my opinion, I have actually had both on my overland within the last 5k miles - love discount tires service and the ability to switch out if you are not happy!

Continental CrossContact LX20:
These tires were VERY quiet and very smooth, very supple in feel and absorbed small bumps very well, but larger bumps and some expansion joints seemed to upset the confident feel of the tire, they were just a tad to 'floaty'. Had these put on right before the biblical flood season we just finished up in Dallas, and they worked very well in the wet. What I didn't like about hem was their on center feel on the interstate and their handling. They just seemed to wander and not track very well, requiring you to pay a bit more attention to stay within the lane. Not horrendous, just not the feel I prefer. I also had a problem with balancing them, tried 3 times and there was always a vibration at 65-70 miles an hour. Though I won't call that a fault of the LX20 line, obviously others are happy with them so I obviously had a bad tire or two.

Pirelli Scorpion Verde All Season PLUS:
Just about as quiet as the LX20, and when I say just about the Pirelli has a HAIR more noise on concrete interstates. They are just about as smooth as the LX20, but more controlled in my opinion, as in they ride a bit more like a car tire. On center feel and tracking on the interstate is better as well, these tires track like performance tires at high speed. Make sure you are looking at the PLUS version of this tire too, there is a non PLUS version

Cant comment on either in the snow, but it looks like on tire rack that the Pirelli does a bit better on snow, but they are still all seasons so neither will be great.

Overall they are both great tires, I would say the Pirelli has a bit more performance while the Conti has a bit more comfort. Not sure if you have the 18" or the 20" but when you are in the 20" size you have a much lower profile to tire choice starts to matter a bit more. Happy to answer any questions as well if you have specific ones. All I will say is beware online review on tirerack, there are earlier versions of both tires and I think some folks get confused and post on the new version site a review of the older version. IE you have some folks posting that they had the Pirellis for 3 years and 50k miles when these haven't been out for 3 years. Don't go off folks experience on earlier tires from the same manufacturer either. Some folks will have a bad experience 5 years ago on a same brand tire in a totally different tread design and write off the brand completely. Both Continental and Pirelli are good brands, and they both make good and bad tires across their entire line.

I've had the Conti's for about 6k miles now and they have so far been great. Great in the rain and on the road but I will have to agree that on really large bumps you do feel like they do disconnect from the road just a little bit. But I'm connecting that to the fact that they are 20's and NYC road really beat up tires.


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