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New BS 20" tire choice

Just came across this as a new tire choice DUELER H/L ALENZA PLUS for JGC with 20" wheels. I always heard good things about the previous Alenza model so hopefully this one is just as good if not better than the previous one. I would say this tire would be for people who are mostly on road but want decent all weather performance. The main product site shows the old model but Tirerack shows the new one.
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Does anyone know what the minimum load index is that jeep recommends? I'm thinking about ordering a set of these Bridgestones but the load index is slightly lower than the oem forteras (107 vs 106). However, they do have a higher speed rating. Does this small difference even matter? I don't tow anything and spend most of the time on the highway.
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Just came across this as a new tire choice DUELER H/L ALENZA PLUS for JGC with 20" wheels. I always heard good things about the previous Alenza model so hopefully this one is just as good if not better than the previous one. I would say this tire would be for people who are mostly on road but want decent all weather performance. The main product site shows the old model but Tirerack shows the new one.
That's strickly a Hwy tire.
All weather performance?? What do you mean by that?
It will roll in the rain?
No snowflak on the mountain winter tire rating, no A/T tread or increased sidewall strength for even light duty trail use.

That's a soccer mom minivan hwy tire for sure, why would you choose that for a Jeep? A Jeep Grand Cherokee can do so much more with a more capable/appropriate tire choice!

If your a fan of Bridgestone tires why not install some Dueler Revo's

http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tire/...-at-revo-2-eco

And they retail for less $$ than the HWY tires you linked to!
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That 107 vs 106 load index difference is pretty insignificant and not worth worrying about. You should be just fine.
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Re: New BS 20" tire choice

I would love to get the REVO 2 but the overland with QL I hear there might be rubbing with a 275/55/R20 tire.



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That's strickly a Hwy tire.
All weather performance?? What do you mean by that?
It will roll in the rain?
No snowflak on the mountain winter tire rating, no A/T tread or increased sidewall strength for even light duty trail use.

That's a soccer mom minivan hwy tire for sure, why would you choose that for a Jeep? A Jeep Grand Cherokee can do so much more with a more capable/appropriate tire choice!

If your a fan of Bridgestone tires why not install some Dueler Revo's

http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tire/...-at-revo-2-eco

And they retail for less $$ than the HWY tires you linked to!
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Re: New BS 20" tire choice

I've gone with the Nitto NT421Q tires as replacements for my Forteras which have done me no wrong...the Nittos are being installed Friday morning.
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Re: New BS 20" tire choice

I put these tires on my 2014 Summit yesterday. Apparently the PLUS model is very different from last years Alanza. The tread depth is 13/32 as compared to the Fortera's 10/32. The tire weight is 43 pounds as opposed to the Fortera's 34 pounds. Quite a difference, and more than 3/32 tread depth difference would account for . . . and deeper than the much loved and highly rated CrossContact LX20 with EcoPlus . I would expect that the sidewall has increased as well as the rubber hardness (now 80,000 mile warranty). I passed on the CrossContact LX20 with EcoPlus as I wanted a little more aggressive tread design.

For the first 4-5 miles the tires felt a little jiggly - like they were feeling every section and tar patch in the road. Later, after the first 4-5 miles, on this same section of road the tires were smooth as glass. Kinda like a new pair of shoes? They needed breaking in?

After the first 50 miles of highway I was delighted. They were quieter than the OM Forteras (the engine noise pretty much drowned out any road noise at all speeds- not true with the Fortera). As I had originally bought these tires as a better choice for off-road - that's where I went next. Amazing. As a big time past user of BF Goodrich TA I was impressed. Tire pressure was set at 40 as it was 80 degrees outside. I first kept it in 2 wheel drive and proceeded through deep sand and some off-camber dirt hills. I was so surprised! Wonderful. So I slipped the tranny into 4x4 and hit some tougher sections. I did not do any serious rock climbing (it ain't a Rubicon) but for semi-serious off-road these tires work excellent.

More testing to follow, but I suspect these are more than soccer-mom tires. We shall see.

Edit: Maybe these tires have a little harder rubber. I am noticing the first 5 or so miles they seem a little stiffer - until they warm up. Then they smooth out. What I am wondering is, how will they handle snow and ice.? I live in the mountains of Arizona at 5,000' and sometimes, maybe once a year, we get a foot of snow. Other times only 2-5". GREAT sand tires!
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Re: New BS 20" tire choice

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That's strickly a Hwy tire.
All weather performance?? What do you mean by that?
It will roll in the rain?
No snowflak on the mountain winter tire rating, no A/T tread or increased sidewall strength for even light duty trail use.

That's a soccer mom minivan hwy tire for sure, why would you choose that for a Jeep? A Jeep Grand Cherokee can do so much more with a more capable/appropriate tire choice!

If your a fan of Bridgestone tires why not install some Dueler Revo's

http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tire/...-at-revo-2-eco

And they retail for less $$ than the HWY tires you linked to!
They don't come in 265/50/20 - for starters. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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I would love to get the REVO 2 but the overland with QL I hear there might be rubbing with a 275/55/R20 tire.
You won't have any rubbing with a 275/55/R20 tire at any QL height. I'm running that size with Nokian Rotiiva AT's and many other forum members are running that size with Nitto Terra Grapplers or Cooper tires.
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They don't come in 265/50/20 - for starters. Please correct me if I am wrong.
No they don't, you would have to go to a 275/55/R20. Many forum members run that size and love them.
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I put these tires on my 2014 Summit yesterday. Apparently the PLUS model is very different from last years Alanza. The tread depth is 13/32 as compared to the Fortera's 10/32. The tire weight is 43 pounds as opposed to the Fortera's 34 pounds. Quite a difference, and more than 3/32 tread depth difference would account for . . . and deeper than the much loved and highly rated CrossContact LX20 with EcoPlus . I would expect that the sidewall has increased as well as the rubber hardness (now 80,000 mile warranty). I passed on the CrossContact LX20 with EcoPlus as I wanted a little more aggressive tread design.

For the first 4-5 miles the tires felt a little jiggly - like they were feeling every section and tar patch in the road. Later, after the first 4-5 miles, on this same section of road the tires were smooth as glass. Kinda like a new pair of shoes? They needed breaking in?

After the first 50 miles of highway I was delighted. They were quieter than the OM Forteras (the engine noise pretty much drowned out any road noise at all speeds- not true with the Fortera). As I had originally bought these tires as a better choice for off-road - that's where I went next. Amazing. As a big time past user of BF Goodrich TA I was impressed. Tire pressure was set at 40 as it was 80 degrees outside. I first kept it in 2 wheel drive and proceeded through deep sand and some off-camber dirt hills. I was so surprised! Wonderful. So I slipped the tranny into 4x4 and hit some tougher sections. I did not do any serious rock climbing (it ain't a Rubicon) but for semi-serious off-road these tires work excellent.

More testing to follow, but I suspect these are more than soccer-mom tires. We shall see.

Edit: Maybe these tires have a little harder rubber. I am noticing the first 5 or so miles they seem a little stiffer - until they warm up. Then they smooth out. What I am wondering is, how will they handle snow and ice.? I live in the mountains of Arizona at 5,000' and sometimes, maybe once a year, we get a foot of snow. Other times only 2-5". GREAT sand tires!
You shouldn't be surprised when you find out these tires suck in the ice/snow. They're long lasting, clear weather hwy tires not designed to perform well in ice/snow conditions or even light duty offroad situations. If you needed a tire for those conditions you should have purchased a more appropriate Snowflak on the Mountain rated AT tire as recommended above.
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Well, the 275/55/R20 size is 1.5" higher. With my arthritis that extra 3/4 " above the ground would cause me great grief - but that's just MY body (I barely get into the JGC Summit). As for off-road, that's what I have been doing for many decades - and many different tires. Last Jeep was a Rubicon that was lifted 2" and larger tires. But . . . it had a nerf bar for me to step on. As we get older certain adjustments are required. That said, I am amazed how well these tires do off road at 40 psi. I suspect you are right about the snow and ice, though. Fortunately we get little where I live (Arizona).
If I wanted off-road as a priority I would NOT have gotten a Summit and I would NOT run 20" low profile tires.

1st priority: smooth and quiet

Different tires for different needs.
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