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Old 02-18-2011, 11:31 AM
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Re: New WK2 lift

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If I do it myself it will be up at my parents house in North Baltimore County, just below the PA line. They have a nice 2-1/2 car garage.

As I stated in another thread, I may have Adams Jeep do it if they will agree that the lift won't void my warranty if installed by them (same offer they give with newly ordered JKs).

When I did my ZJ it was no longer under factory warranty.

I don't think you need to worry about it being under warranty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act

Basically the dealer can't void your warranty and they can't deny you coverage unless THEY can PROVE that the installation is what cause any defect. They may try to make you think that you have void you warranty but they are either lying or are wrong.

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basically if they were able to void you warranty just because you install aftermarket parts, the aftermarket parts industry would crumble. SEMA is very powerful in the auto world and takes up these type of fights just like the NRA in the gun world.
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:14 PM
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Re: New WK2 lift

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I don't think you need to worry about it being under warranty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act

Basically the dealer can't void your warranty and they can't deny you coverage unless THEY can PROVE that the installation is what cause any defect. They may try to make you think that you have void you warranty but they are either lying or are wrong.

check this thread out
Voided Warranty??? Maybe Not - Know Your Rights (Please Sticky)

basically if they were able to void you warranty just because you install aftermarket parts, the aftermarket parts industry would crumble. SEMA is very powerful in the auto world and takes up these type of fights just like the NRA in the gun world.
I actually have a copy of the act at home from previous cars but thanks for posting as others may not be aware of this.

With that said, I worry about a new product such as a lift because suspensions are tricky. Adding an exhaust or an intake is different, IMO. Currently, I am not worried taking my Jeep to the dealer with an engine problem while having my BWoody 4" Intake. I'd be more concerend taking the Jeep in for a suspension problem after it was lifted.

The gamble is there for any mod and its all in what is worth it to you. At this point I am still undecided.
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Re: New WK2 lift

i live up in hunt valley, so i'm up near there!

do you have the quadralift thing? if not, the suspension is more or less just .... suspension parts.

I feel like if you do work to an engine, its got all these little things that could go wrong, but a suspension is relatively simple. (with the exception of the Q-Lift) I mean did mine and its really simple, so i feel like there isnt much i have to worry about breaking.

Now with that said, if they decide they want to blame the driveline angles when your transfer case gives out... that's a whole other story.
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:46 PM
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Relwarc, thats my worry; the proper angles for driveline components. You are right, this lift is very easy, you even retain the factory springs and shocks.

But things to worry about are transfer case drop, Knuckle assembly setup, pitman arm, rear trac bar angels, conrtol arm angles, etc. This geometrical setup is critical to the performance of the vehicle.

Now, most of this SHOULDNT be an issue with a simple 2.5" lift, seeing as the QL raises the vehicle 2.5". However, QL returns to factory ride height at a certain MPH, so you can't cruise down I-95 at 75mph with the Jeep set in the Off-Road 2 setting. So I am not sure how much the suspension setup will handle.

Obviously RRO did a lot of prototype testing and they feel confident that driveability wasn't comprimised (they even went as far to state this on the webpage). But they aren't Chrysler, LLC.

No, I do not have QL. This lift is NOT for Wk2 Grand Cherokees with the QL system.
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I honestly feel like 2.5" isnt enough to cause any troubles. The QL drops the jeep for highway driving because it can, not because it HAS to. If the jeep was designed in such a way that there would be major issues with it driving at high speeds while in the "offroad" setting, then there is something seriously wrong.

You're doing the right thing by being cautious, my WK didnt have a lift on it until i was 10K miles outside of my warranty. With that being said, i see absolutely no issues comming out of such a small lift.
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Re: New WK2 lift

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In the LR4 world there are longer ride height sensor links to 'trick' the air suspension into running higher than normal. If we do nto get a software fix, something like that might be the answer.
Even better are the lifts with the longer sensor links AND spacers so the air springs are still at the stock height. I really can't be that hard to set up the same thing for the QL. I'll look into it at some point if the aftermarket doesn't come around.
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Re: New WK2 lift

QL drops the vehicle for fuel economy purposes, so they can say that you are getting that coveted 22-23 mpg. I am just being selfish i want somebody on here to install this so we can get some unbiased opinions from someone other than the manufacturer.
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QL drops the vehicle for fuel economy purposes, so they can say that you are getting that coveted 22-23 mpg. I am just being selfish i want somebody on here to install this so we can get some unbiased opinions from someone other than the manufacturer.
I'm confused. You want someone to install this on a QL Jeep when it WONT install on a QL Jeep? Why would someone do that?

Also, to my knowledge every airbag suspension out their (Mercedes, Land Rover, etc) drops back to an aero or similar height above a certain mph. I have to believe it is for safety reasons and not fuel economy as most of those vehicles don't hang their hat on fuel economy.

With that in mind, and considering QL comes to Jeep as a result of the "failed" Daimler/Chrysler merger, I believe the suspension drops for more than fuel economy reasons. But hey, I could be dead wrong.
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I'm confused. You want someone to install this on a QL Jeep when it WONT install on a QL Jeep? Why would someone do that?

Also, to my knowledge every airbag suspension out their (Mercedes, Land Rover, etc) drops back to an aero or similar height above a certain mph. I have to believe it is for safety reasons and not fuel economy as most of those vehicles don't hang their hat on fuel economy.

With that in mind, and considering QL comes to Jeep as a result of the "failed" Daimler/Chrysler merger, I believe the suspension drops for more than fuel economy reasons. But hey, I could be dead wrong.
Negative, I am well aware that this lift will not work on the QL. What i was saying is that the 2.5 lift is the same as the max height of the ORII setting. The Jeep is designed to be able to handle a 2.5 lift. Now whether it can handle that height constantly i don't know. I am not trying to argue with you. I agree any modification always has risk associated with it. However, i was simply saying that installing a lift does not void your warranty.
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Any updates regarding the 2.5 lift? Anyone tried it?

Seriously considering it but would like to have comments for the pros and cons of doing it.

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Re: New WK2 lift

Here is my five penny worth.

Am I going to try it? Certainly. But since my jeep is not in my hands yet I look forward to see any alternatives to RR lift from other companies. I'm guessing few spacers can cost less than ~400$.

As for reliability of lifted suspension I think in real off-road conditions your suspension is exposed to a variety of loads, forces, momentums, etc, than in highway driving. So if WK2 suspension lives in off-road with ORII setting on QL, it will definitely survive 2.5" lift. However we shouldn't drop from accounts the fact that in extreme driving conditions on the highway like avoiding obstacles or making sharp turns on high speed (d/t some unforeseen circumstances) extra lift WILL compromise vehicle stability and maneuverability.

Simply, during sharp turns or maneuvers, lifted car will have less friction on inner radius wheels than on outer comparing to non-lifted car. How much less - is a question of formula calculation.

To feel it, take 4 or 6 pound dumbbell, grip it at its center point, keep it vertically oriented and spin around with it as fast as you can with your hand stretched out. Then grab it 2.5" (or more) distance off the center keeping longer part above and do the same. You will notice it's harder to keep it vertical. Longer part above tends to take greater radius of turn.

Now imagine at least 2 tons of weight lifted 2.5" up on a speed of 70mph during turn. There WILL be a great difference in forces applied to your suspension.

Same applies for breaking. Front wheels will be taking more load, and the whole vehicle will peck more.

So after installing I will take much more care whilst making turns on high speeds. Simply, I will have to drop the speed down more than I would on non-lifted car.
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