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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

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Here's something you might want to check out! I bought a set of 265/60R18 Michelin X-Ice snow tires today from Tire Rack. Had them mounted on dedicated 18" wheels with Tire Pressure Sensors for my Summit so I could just swap them in November and back again in March. All's good you say? Wrong!

Just got a call from the good folks at Tire Rack and these tires are illegal for my Summit. In Pennsylvania if the tires you have on the car are smaller than what is on the door placard (20") the car will fail inspection. Depending upon when your annual inspection falls this might not be a problem but here's yet another case of legislators feeling the need to insert themselves into every detail of your daily life. Unbelievable.

Not meant to be a political rant, just a heads up to check your local laws.
That's odd. I'm in PA and I have Laredo x 18" wheels on my summit for winter with nokian hakkapelitta r SUV tires. Had it inspected by the dealer last winter without any sort of an issue. Vehicle came with the 20" wheels.
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But if you live in PA or a similar state and your inspection comes do its a royal PITA. Maybe they will let you slide because a Limited or Laredo uses that tire size but do you want to flunk? Not sure what the laws are in PA but in VA if you flunk the state inspection you arent supposed to drive the car until you have it repaired and reinspected. You have 14 days. Now you have to drive home put the 20" wheels and tires on come back for the reinspection and wait in line again. Pay the reinspection fee if any and then go home and throw the snows back on. Not sure how strictly PA enforces driving around with and expired inspection sticker but the fine with costs is over a $100 and they can ticket you again after 24hrs. VA back in the mid 70's used to have safety inspections twice a year.
I do live in PA and I have no worries. They can't flunk you because of a small rim and winter tires. Lots of FWD cars put on steelers and winter tires.

Also it pays to know people who inspect cars anyways.
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The Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza 265/50R20 are $170 each at tire rack it cost $90 to ship them. where are you getting your information from??
Discount Tire pricing with installation and free lifetime rotations and balancing: http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/car...roductId=25366
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I do live in PA and I have no worries. They can't flunk you because of a small rim and winter tires. Lots of FWD cars put on steelers and winter tires.

Also it pays to know people who inspect cars anyways.
Actually you certainly can fail the inspection because of it. But you are both correct, it all depends who is doing the inspection, doesn't it. But don't say they can't fail you, they certainly can.
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

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Here's something you might want to check out! I bought a set of 265/60R18 Michelin X-Ice snow tires today from Tire Rack. Had them mounted on dedicated 18" wheels with Tire Pressure Sensors for my Summit so I could just swap them in November and back again in March. All's good you say? Wrong!

Just got a call from the good folks at Tire Rack and these tires are illegal for my Summit. In Pennsylvania if the tires you have on the car are smaller than what is on the door placard (20") the car will fail inspection. Depending upon when your annual inspection falls this might not be a problem but here's yet another case of legislators feeling the need to insert themselves into every detail of your daily life. Unbelievable.

Not meant to be a political rant, just a heads up to check your local laws.
I wouldn't worry about it. It's probably just to prevent folks from putting grossly oversized or undersized tires and I doubt any inspection station would give them a 2nd look. Government isn't out to get you, believe it or not.

I was about to get the same tires from Tire Rack until I realized they were not the latest version of the X-Ice which are quite a bit better according to reviews. The latest version of the X-Ice doesn't come in the correct size yet. So if you are looking at reviews on X-Ice make sure it's the same version you can actually get. If I could of got the latest version X-Ice I would have got them. But since I couldn't I went with Nokian's.
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I wouldn't worry about it. It's probably just to prevent folks from putting grossly oversized or undersized tires and I doubt any inspection station would give them a 2nd look. Government isn't out to get you, believe it or not.

I was about to get the same tires from Tire Rack until I realized they were not the latest version of the X-Ice which are quite a bit better according to reviews. The latest version of the X-Ice doesn't come in the correct size yet. So if you are looking at reviews on X-Ice make sure it's the same version you can actually get. If I could of got the latest version X-Ice I would have got them. But since I couldn't I went with Nokian's.
The latest version of the Michelin X-ice for passengers cars is the Xi3, but the latest version for light trucks/SUVs is the Latitude X-ice Xi2. So assuming that they are the latter, the Xi2 model is the most recent/current version. There is no Xi3 Latitude model yet.
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

I just ordered winter wheels and tires for mine. I wasn't impressed with the stock tires either. I downsized 3" to 17" with some hankook winter ipikes. They didn't come in yet but I'm excited to see how much better the jeep will be in snow. I live in pa as well.. Never heard of the smaller wheel thing with inspections. Doesn't make sense especially if other GC's come with smaller wheels.. My inspection is due in feb. Guess I will find out lol... If worst comes to worst. I will swap the stocks back on but I'm not worried about that issue..
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

If your Fotereas work in summer/fall look for some new 18" Wrangler take offs on your local Craigslist. Most come with Bridgestone Duelers which would get you through the snow months. Make sure they come from a 13 MY Wrangler so the TPMS are the same frequency as the WK2. 2012 MY JK's TPMS are not

The stock Latitudes on mine are great in the summer/fall but life threatening in the snow. Picked up some new 2013 Rubicon/Moab JK take offs from craigslist with GY Silent Armors for my dedicated winter wear.
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I do live in PA and I have no worries. They can't flunk you because of a small rim and winter tires. Lots of FWD cars put on steelers and winter tires.

Also it pays to know people who inspect cars anyways.
Back many, many years ago took my girlfriend's car to my favorite inspection station. They knew me and they never had much of line even at the end of the month since they in a industrial park. Guy said you pass and I asked how much
he said the cost of the inspection plus a case of Miller Lite. Went down the block to the local 7-11 and came back with it. Her car was a POS!
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

Jeeperjohn this must be tirerack thing,any car i ever inspected in Pa. i never looked and never was told to look for this!! unless you lowered your car alot they can ck your front for ground too a-arm etc.
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Jeeperjohn this must be tirerack thing,any car i ever inspected in Pa. i never looked and never was told to look for this!! unless you lowered your car alot they can ck your front for ground too a-arm etc.
I see in tire rack they have a differernt thing about TPMS. So you might be onto. somejing there. They seem to be picky about if you don't want the sensors you select the option that says " I will have my local tire shop install my sensors". Instead of the " I don't want the sensors" option...
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

I just put on Cooper Zeon LTZ in size 275/55/20 and they are more than sufficient in the winter months. If you don't live in an area that gets feet of snow, and your local DOT plows quite well, in my book, there is no need for dedicated winters. And this is coming from someone who drive 33 miles one way to work, up and down a mountain with nasty right banked hairpin that gets dicy in the winter, and has a elevation change from home to work of about 1500 feet (meaning if its raining when I leave, its snowing on the mountain).
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