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Old 12-01-2013, 11:43 AM
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

jeeperjohn, i found this in my penndot book.

175.65 (g) shall be equipped with the number and type of tires and rims with a load rating equal to or higher than those offered by the manufacturer.

The GC offered 17" wh. on the laredo so i use that as a base line,but if you came in with a f250 p/up and f150 load rated tires i would FAIL.hope this helps.
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

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I just put on Cooper Zeon LTZ in size 275/55/20 and they are more than sufficient in the winter months. If you don't live in an area that gets feet of snow, and your local DOT plows quite well, in my book, there is no need for dedicated winters. And this is coming from someone who drive 33 miles one way to work, up and down a mountain with nasty right banked hairpin that gets dicy in the winter, and has a elevation change from home to work of about 1500 feet (meaning if its raining when I leave, its snowing on the mountain).
Actually winter tires are an advantage in that first couple of inches of snow, the mixed precip and temps that range from 28 to 34 degrees. That hairpin turn you face wouldnt be dicy in the winter with winter tires vs the Coopers. Plowing isnt that great in NOVA where it can take anywhere from a couple of days to a week for the plow to get into my subdivision. For the driving conditions your described winter tires would be a significant advantage. Not sure what state you live in and city but even a middle of the pack winter tire
will have significant performance and safety advantages over Zeon LTZ.
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Old 12-01-2013, 02:16 PM
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Pennsylvania where the DOT is quite well. I did not get a dedicated snow tire because the cost of a set of rims and snow tires for the amount and frequency of snow we get, the cost factor is not worth it. Besides, a nice slow steady pace will get me anywhere.
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

I decided on the Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza as these were the ones I had previously on the Escalade and had great results all seasons and with 80K on them before replacement. My local shop priced them at $650 mounted and installed. I'll throw the Goodyear's in the basement for either later use or sell them on CL.
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:02 PM
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I decided on the Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza as these were the ones I had previously on the Escalade and had great results all seasons and with 80K on them before replacement. My local shop priced them at $650 mounted and installed. I'll throw the Goodyear's in the basement for either later use or sell them on CL.
Those are the ones I am going for also, good price where did you get them. How do they ride on the highway on the jeep quite?
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:44 PM
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Like the the security winter tires provide in the DC area since we have a lot drivers each year who have never seen snow along with the young gentlemen in 4x4 and AWD vehicles who think the laws of physics dont apply to them.
MD, VA and DC are suck at plowing. They figure if they wait long enough it will melt.
Really?!? I've lived in the DC area my whole life and have never felt the need for snow tires here, even on a RWD sedan let alone on something like the Jeep. You're driving on dry roads with snow tires 98% of the winter.

Aside from that crazy winter a couple years ago, if we get 10 inches of snow total all winter its unusual...

I would never even consider snow tires here.

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I decided on the Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza as these were the ones I had previously on the Escalade and had great results all seasons and with 80K on them before replacement. My local shop priced them at $650 mounted and installed. I'll throw the Goodyear's in the basement for either later use or sell them on CL.
I'd also be interested in more of your thoughts on those tires. I'm debating between them and the Michelin LTX M/S2 now, although I'm the 18" size.
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Really?!? I've lived in the DC area my whole life and have never felt the need for snow tires here, even on a RWD sedan let alone on something like the Jeep. You're driving on dry roads with snow tires 98% of the winter.

Aside from that crazy winter a couple years ago, if we get 10 inches of snow total all winter its unusual...

I would never even consider snow tires here.



I'd also be interested in more of your thoughts on those tires. I'm debating between them and the Michelin LTX M/S2 now, although I'm the 18" size.
Agree this is not a snow tire area, a good set of all seasons and you are fine 99.9 % of the time. We get a major big snow about twice a decade. Costco is best price I have found on the Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza so far. If they had the Michelin LTX M/S2 in the 265/50R20 size I would get them but they don't. I have heard nothing but good things about the LTX.
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

Can someone else please comment on the stock Goodyear tires? I only have 1 day in the snow on the stock Goodyear A/S tires and I thought they were great, but can anyone else comment? I'd really like to avoid a dedicated winter setup.
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Agree this is not a snow tire area, a good set of all seasons and you are fine 99.9 % of the time. We get a major big snow about twice a decade. Costco is best price I have found on the Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza so far. If they had the Michelin LTX M/S2 in the 265/50R20 size I would get them but they don't. I have heard nothing but good things about the LTX.
The Costco online thing doesn't show the Alenzas or the LTX in my size...I should call them tomorrow too...

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Every few years give or take the weather folks get it wrong and instead of that dusting we get dumped on. Jan 87 storm is a good example. With winter tires I can drive around or through median strip or a yard to get around folks who dont have a clue.
Jan 1987 was 26 years ago though. Winter tires give you big benefits in snow and wet weather when cold, but we spend so much time during our winters over 45 degrees and in the dry, and winter tires actually reduce your traction and safety in those conditions that IMHO you're trading safety during 80% of the winter for safety during 20% of the winter. Outfitting yourself for that 20 year situation in such a way that reduces your safety on most days doesn't make a lot of sense IMHO.

This Jeep with the stock tires can get over or through a median strip or a yard in 10+ inches of snow safely. Certainly on a set of good all season SUV/Light Truck tires it can get anywhere you need to get in and around DC and up in the mountains in a 300 mile radius of here in anything winter can throw at you, and it will be safer on the majority of our dry 45 degree or warmer winter days than the same Jeep on winter tires.
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

I get about 120" of snow a year and haven't needed snow tires in my truck and don't plan on it for the Jeep. 99% of the time I leave it in 2WD as well (no weight over the rear tires either).

The only time I feel the need for 4WD is leaving a stop sign early in the morning due to ice or overtaking on the freeway for piece of mind when crossing through the snow between lanes.

Anything with AWD or 4WD and all seasons should be just fine without snow tires.
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I get about 120" of snow a year and haven't needed snow tires in my truck and don't plan on it for the Jeep. 99% of the time I leave it in 2WD as well (no weight over the rear tires either). The only time I feel the need for 4WD is leaving a stop sign early in the morning due to ice or overtaking on the freeway for piece of mind when crossing through the snow between lanes. Anything with AWD or 4WD and all seasons should be just fine without snow tires.
Similar situation in WNY. No issue with stock Goodyears.... yet?
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Re: OEM tires are horrible in Snow.

Winter tires reduce traction in dry weather above 45 degrees. That's common knowledge. The rubber compounds are designed to be most effective below freezing, much in the same way that summer and all season tires are designed to be most effective at higher temps. The trade offs work in both directions.

Here's a question, if you are right and winter tires offer improved performance across the board...why don't we drive on winter tires all year long?

I suppose I and the millions of people who drive around DC all winter on all seasons just get lucky day after day and year after year. People wreck, sure. A lot of that is lack of skill, and tires wouldn't have saved the drivers from the wreck. Your little ego stroke was nice, I absolutely don't care what you've done or how many car clubs you run. Common sense is common sense.

I haven driven tens of thousands of miles in winter conditions both here and elsewhere. I have never suffered for not having winter tires. If you live in Buffalo or Montreal or Aspen, sure. Here? Waste of money at best, less safe at the worst.
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