Originally Posted by 77rednecktruck
sure it can, we have been debating it for a while now.
I consider anything other than a racing slick and on/off road tire. It's not a mud tire, rock crawling tire, desert tire, etc... It is simply a tire that can be taken off road and by Jeep getting the "Trail Rated" badge using this tire, I am sure it is suitable for off road use. Is it the best tire for mud, no. Is it the best tire for snow, no. Is it a capable tire than can handle 90% of the uses a Jeep Grand Cherokee driver will use it for, absolutely.
I have taken mine out in the mud and didn't get stuck and had it during 8" of snow last winter and the jeep performed good in both situations. I am sure there are tires out there that are strictly off road tires that would be better but they will also be gone in 20K miles. I have the Hemi, ORII, and the Latitudes and am happy. Well, I wish they looked a little better but they perform well enough for me.
Heck - I've taken a sedan in street tires "off road" (very carefully). Doesn't really prove much. Obviously I couldn't go places a higher clearance vehicle could, nor was it something I'd do a lot of.
The issue in this part of the country isn't really mud, it's rocks - and I'm not talking "rock-crawling" - just hard, sharp rocks on trails that require tire designed for that. The Latitudes are not (per Michelin.)
Regarding wear: The LTX A/T2 will wear almost as long as the Latitude Tour - really no issue there.
Regarding the debate: The facts that should not be in dispute are:
1) Chrysler stated the ORA II package includes an "On-Road/Off-Road" tire
2) They did not deliver one (as confirmed by the tire manufacturer)
It boggles my mind that anyone disputes the above. What is more interesting to debate is: What should the buyer's response be?
Responses have ranged all the way from people not caring to those who vow never to buy a Jeep again ... and so forth.
I think everyone knows my position ... thanks to this forum, I knew about the tire issue in advance, so I wasn't blindsided (Note: I did not
know about this when I ordered - I really expected to get Off-Road tires, since that is what Jeep had given me with my previous JGCs).
Anyway... the choices for me were to either walk away from a vehicle that I had been waiting for patiently for three months, or make arrangements to change the tires. It ended up being $460 out of pocket, but I did get road hazard with the new tires - approx $100 value. So it really cost me $360 plus a mild hassle.
I was certainly not about to "throw the baby out with the bathwater" - In most other ways, I am quite satisfied with my new WK2 and with my buying experience.
Mostly it just saddens me. Building and maintaining a "brand" is really important and it can mean a lot to a company. Jeep, as a brand, has stood for certain things over the years. I fully understand that 95% of the JGCs sold will never leave the pavement -- but the mystique of Jeep was that they could.
Jeep's historical practice of offering an "up country" or "off road" package for the JGC was really smart. That way they could offer the quieter (and higher EPA rated) street tires on the majority of the models and let those of us who planned to take the JGC off road "self-select".
So in the end, more than anything it's a "head-scratcher". I really don't see why Jeep didn't just put on off-road tires. If they needed to raise the price of the ORA II package, I doubt anyone would have made an issue of it.
I'd like to think that some idiot bean counter made the decision (as opposed to real "Jeep people") and that Jeep will learn from this. That's why I called Jeep and lodged a (polite) complaint. If they don't hear from us, they have no feedback to get it right next time.