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Old 03-17-2011, 10:44 AM
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Re: Off-Road Adventure II Package Tires

I don't have a trail rated WK2, but as part of the purchase agreement I had the dealer change the GY Fortera's for Wrangler SilentArmors.

I wasn't satisfied with the reviews of the Forteras. Also, they weren't legal for winter use, so the dealer didn't have much of a choice.

The SilentArmors have been totally awesome so far. Incredible tire!
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Re: Off-Road Adventure II Package Tires

Not legal for winter use? Wow. The last time I heard of any laws around here pertaining to winter use tires said that you could be ticketed if you got stuck on a snow emergency route unless you had tires that were designated by the manufacturer as "snow tires" or if you had radial tires. That was back in the 1970's in Maryland. Since virtually all tires sold today are radials, any tire should be legal according to that outdated law, but I've never heard of any law introduced since then that would have updated it.
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Not legal for winter use? Wow. The last time I heard of any laws around here pertaining to winter use tires said that you could be ticketed if you got stuck on a snow emergency route unless you had tires that were designated by the manufacturer as "snow tires" or if you had radial tires. That was back in the 1970's in Maryland. Since virtually all tires sold today are radials, any tire should be legal according to that outdated law, but I've never heard of any law introduced since then that would have updated it.
Note that "Rage" is in Canada where the laws are somewhat different. Given their amount of cold weather and snow, I could see how they may need to legislate against stupidity (people running summer tires) as a matter of safety for those sharing the roads.
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Re: Off-Road Adventure II Package Tires

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Back in '02 the most aggressive tire they put on the WJ was the GY SRA. (Also a hwy type tire.)

I don't think Jeep has ever put a true A/T tire on anything other than a Wrangler.
When I bought my 98 JGC with the "Upcountry" package, I think it had A/T tires. Sorry that I can't swear to that, as I've (obviously) replaced the originals. If they weren't full A/T, they were certainly more off-road worthy than Latitudes.

I've already arranged a swap-out with a local tire dealer (Jeep dealer no longer does swaps) - I'll drive directly from the Jeep Dealer to the local shop.

It's going to cost me the difference in tire price plus mounting/balancing, plus the usual B.S government fees. (And I'll go ahead and buy Road Hazard coverage.) When the smoke clears, I'll be out an additional $500+.

I think the tire dealer is being fair - and I don't blame my local Jeep dealer - but personally I think what Jeep is doing is deceptive, bordering on fraudulent. No reasonable person would consider the Michelin Latitudes to be "P265/60R18 OWL On/Off-Road Tires" as my Window Sticker claims.
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Re: Off-Road Adventure II Package Tires

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Our Overland with the ORA II package was delivered with Michelin Latitude Tour tires, which are characterized by Michelin as an All Season SUV/Crossover tire.

The Jeep info, and the window sticker clearly state "P265/60R18 OWL On/Off Road Tires". I was expecting something like the LTX A/T 2, which is a much more expensive tire.

Are the Latitude Tours what everyone else with the ORA II package received? I'll be following up with the dealer Monday.
Agreed! was also disappointed with the Latitude tires on my Overland with the Off Road Option.

I have been looking at replacing them. Looking at the LTX A/T 2 and the Goodyear Silent Armor.
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Not legal for winter use? Wow. The last time I heard of any laws around here pertaining to winter use tires said that you could be ticketed if you got stuck on a snow emergency route unless you had tires that were designated by the manufacturer as "snow tires" or if you had radial tires. That was back in the 1970's in Maryland. Since virtually all tires sold today are radials, any tire should be legal according to that outdated law, but I've never heard of any law introduced since then that would have updated it.
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Note that "Rage" is in Canada where the laws are somewhat different. Given their amount of cold weather and snow, I could see how they may need to legislate against stupidity (people running summer tires) as a matter of safety for those sharing the roads.
I indeed live in Canada. The province I live in has a law with regards to snow tires. The tire must have a "snowflake in a mountain" logo or must have A/T written on the tire. The OEM Fortera tires don't meet either of these rules. So the dealer didn't have a choice, had to change them.

What I negotiated was which tire they would use as a replacement. I opted for the GY Wrangler SilentArmor. It's a kick a$$ all season A/T tire that has the snowflake logo. 4 tires + installation was 1200$ for which I didn't pay a penny of. Go me!
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Re: Off-Road Adventure II Package Tires

For those who asked, I have not heard anything useful back from the dealer. The dealer's sales manager said he called the zone rep for Jeep, who took my info and said he'd "take care of it". When I followed up with the sales manager this week, he related the above and was surprised I hadn't been contacted, so he will follow up again. He also suggested I call the customer hotline, which I plan to do as a backup.

Clearly if they are shipping thousands of vehicles with the Latitude Tours, I doubt Jeep will want to set a precedent by swapping tires for a customer. It does sound like the sort of screwup that can end in a class-action suit, but I certainly don't plan to pursue such a thing. It's just a bit of an annoyance.
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Re: Off-Road Adventure II Package Tires

Yes it's a major annoyance, and kind of hard to understand, considering that they used to ship off road tires with "upcountry" or "off road" packages.

As it is, it looks like I'll be out over $500 to swap out the tires (in fairness, $110 of that will be road hazard insurance which certainly did not come with the original tires.)

I'm trying to look at the "big picture" and realize that the extra hassle is worth it in light of all the good qualities of the WK2. But I still think Jeep messed up on this one.
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Re: Off-Road Adventure II Package Tires

For what it is worth I have been in contact with my dealer salesperson and I am waiting for a response. I doubt they will do anything but I thought I would give it a try.

In part here is what I sent to them.

"The Latitude Tour tire is an All-Season tire and not an On/Off-Road tire as stated on the sticker. The All-Season tire rating is stated on the Michelin web site"

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Re: Off-Road Adventure II Package Tires

My Overland with the Off Road Pkg. is in D1 but I was also thinking about upgrading the tires.
More I thought about it I decided to sit tight. For the percentage of time I am actually going to be off road the Latitudes are probably OK. Comfort, fuel efficeincy and tire wear are going to be better.
I'm going to pick up a good set of snow tires next season.
The smart thing would have been for Chrysler to offer a tire upgrade option along with the OR package. That would have satisfied everyone.
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My Overland with the Off Road Pkg. is in D1 but I was also thinking about upgrading the tires.
More I thought about it I decided to sit tight. For the percentage of time I am actually going to be off road the Latitudes are probably OK. Comfort, fuel efficeincy and tire wear are going to be better.
I'm going to pick up a good set of snow tires next season.
The smart thing would have been for Chrysler to offer a tire upgrade option along with the OR package. That would have satisfied everyone.
From reading reviews of the LTX AT/2 vs the Latitudes, I suspect that there will be very little difference in comfort or wear; I'll concede a minor loss of fuel efficiency and probably a little more road noise.
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Re: Off-Road Adventure II Package Tires

..The smart thing would have been for Chrysler to offer a tire upgrade option along with the OR package...

They did - it is called the Off Road Adventure Group and you pay for it. It does say right on the receipt that you paid for "off/on road tires" and Jeep should not be allowed to get away with it. STREET tires on a JEEP with OFF ROAD PACKAGE? Holy crap! What is happening to the Jeep brand? (I will love the luxury part of my upcoming Overland and street tires are fine for Jeeps that never leave pavement, which most never will, but don't call it an off road package if you put street tires on there.)
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