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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

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We get alot of snow here in Wisconsin/Upper Michigan and I have never put on snow tires. The stock tires on MY14 were swapped out for MS2 tires, they only had 100 miles on them. These are better in winter than those. No tire will stop from slipping and sliding in winter, not even snow tires. Yes, tires can make a difference in winter but also what the vehicle is can also make this feel more secure. My 08 Trailblazer that I sold, I hated it in winter no matter what tires were on it. Completely different feeling than my 01 GC that I had, felt very secure in it with normal tires.

You can still get stuck with special snow tires or slide through a stop sign with ice on the road. But if you feel that snow tires make that big of a difference, then more power to you. To me, it would be just a waste of money for an extra set of tires for winter. Just saying..
You really need to do some reading, you are woefully behind the objective date available on current tire technology.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:57 AM
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

^ I agree...I've had previous cars and suvs with all season and AT type tires and then switched to a dedicated winter tires and was shocked at the overall improvement during poor conditions. While it's not probably necessary with the GC as a good all season or AT will more than suffice, but a dedicated snow tire paired with awd/4wd is vastly better.
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

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I just got my GC ready for the install. I installed 18" Jeep Wheels Part # 82212154 with Michelin X-ICE 2. Here are some photos.
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Maybe you should have put on those Michelins before you took it out for a drive on a slippery surface and put the shiny side down?!
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

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We get alot of snow here in Wisconsin/Upper Michigan and I have never put on snow tires. The stock tires on MY14 were swapped out for MS2 tires, they only had 100 miles on them. These are better in winter than those. No tire will stop from slipping and sliding in winter, not even snow tires. Yes, tires can make a difference in winter but also what the vehicle is can also make this feel more secure. My 08 Trailblazer that I sold, I hated it in winter no matter what tires were on it. Completely different feeling than my 01 GC that I had, felt very secure in it with normal tires.

You can still get stuck with special snow tires or slide through a stop sign with ice on the road. But if you feel that snow tires make that big of a difference, then more power to you. To me, it would be just a waste of money for an extra set of tires for winter. Just saying..
The Michelin MS2 does have a low temperature tread compound, and does make a reasonably good moderate duty mud/snow tire even though it is not a snowflake tire.

It is by no means in the same category as a premium snowflake snow tire for snow, ice, packed snow, etc. as far as stopping, turning, etc. and this is from direct experience.

Premium snows are not magic, they still cannot violate the laws of physics involving traction, intertia, etc. but they are definitely noticeably better than even the MS-2 [which is arguably one of the best all weather tires available].

Yes, you can still get stuck, but you have to try harder. As far as getting stuck on ice, I'd take extreme issue with that if you are using premium studded snows.
As far as sliding thru stop signs on ice, yes, you can, but only if a great deal of
idiocy is applied. If you approach the stop sign and are under 30 mph a few car lengths away, with good premium studded or studfree snows, you are NOT going to
slide thru that stop sign.

I can't even make my GC slide on glare ice below 40 mph with Nokian studs, it just stops.

The extra wheels, tpms, and tires to keep the dings off a 50K vehicle is a fairly small trade-off. Plus, they DO look kewl.
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

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^ I agree...I've had previous cars and suvs with all season and AT type tires and then switched to a dedicated winter tires and was shocked at the overall improvement during poor conditions. While it's not probably necessary with the GC as a good all season or AT will more than suffice, but a dedicated snow tire paired with awd/4wd is vastly better.
With premium stud/studless snows, expect about half the braking distance and about double the safe cornering speed with real snows over even decent all season.

Or, if you have an SRT, put on the Nokians and see if you can Beat The Bentley for world record on ice.
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

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With premium stud/studless snows, expect about half the braking distance and about double the safe cornering speed with real snows over even decent all season.
I can attest, that this is most definitely true.

My newly mounted Blizzaks are night and day between using previously owned all season tires in the cold/snow. So much safer and better performing.

Well worth the investment.
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

So here's a question for you guys who swap out for snow tires; how much of the time the tires spend on the car during the winter will the tires be running on pavement vs. actual snow?

I live at 2,200 feet in the Sierra foothills and we only have snow on the road about 5-10 day a year. That said, the road up to my driveway is about 1/2 mile up a ridge and hits 14% and then we have 250 feet of driveway at up to 12%. Wondering how snow tires work/wear for non snow days.
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

Mine are on the car from the middle of Dec to the middle of Mar. I had snow tires on my Element from 12/06 through 3/12 and Michelins still have more than half their tread. I need to find a buyer for them. They also fit CRVs through 2011. Cheap BTW

Had winter tires for my 3 series for about 7 years and never had much wear.

Snow on the ground/street anywhere from 3 days to 25 days+ depends on the winter.
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

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So here's a question for you guys who swap out for snow tires; how much of the time the tires spend on the car during the winter will the tires be running on pavement vs. actual snow?

I live at 2,200 feet in the Sierra foothills and we only have snow on the road about 5-10 day a year. That said, the road up to my driveway is about 1/2 mile up a ridge and hits 14% and then we have 250 feet of driveway at up to 12%. Wondering how snow tires work/wear for non snow days.
Tough call, a new set of tires and wheels is expensive. I've run studded winter tires for the last 15 years but I live in an area that is below 7 degrees C most of the time after Dec 1. I would likely not invest in snows if I was facing the cold and snow only on certain (possibly avoidable) occasions.

Snows will ware very quickly as the temps warm up (softer compounds). If you are in a climate that is consistently above 7C (or 40F) then I would think hard about a snow tire investment.
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

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Tough call, a new set of tires and wheels is expensive. I've run studded winter tires for the last 15 years but I live in an area that is below 7 degrees C most of the time after Dec 1. I would likely not invest in snows if I was facing the cold and snow only on certain (possibly avoidable) occasions.

Snows will ware very quickly as the temps warm up (softer compounds). If you are in a climate that is consistently above 7C (or 40F) then I would think hard about a snow tire investment.
It is a tough call. Were it not for the climbs and descents necessary to get in and out of our home, I would not be considering winter tires. OTOH, my wife and I both have AWD and we have been dealing with the snow and steep grades for 10 years with all weather tires. We do stay near 40 F for a few days at various times during winter months, but overall average is a bit higher and nearly all of our driving from home heads downhill where the temps rise fairly quickly. Although, it is 26.4 F according to my outside weather station at the moment.

Got a storm coming tomorrow. Will be the first for both my Overland as well as her Outback. We will see how they like the snow/grade.
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

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Tough call, a new set of tires and wheels is expensive. I've run studded winter tires for the last 15 years but I live in an area that is below 7 degrees C most of the time after Dec 1. I would likely not invest in snows if I was facing the cold and snow only on certain (possibly avoidable) occasions.

Snows will ware very quickly as the temps warm up (softer compounds). If you are in a climate that is consistently above 7C (or 40F) then I would think hard about a snow tire investment.
You might want to check this article out: Winter Tire Test - Performance Test - Road & Track

In the DC area temps are often above 40 degrees in the winter like today but I have never experienced any increased wear. Winter tires are on my vehicles from midddle of Dec to the beginning of March. I have set of winter tires and wheels for a 2006 Honda Element that still have more than half the tread after 6 winters of driving. They are for sale.
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Re: Ready for winter 2014 GC Summit on 18" wheel Michelin X-ICE 2

I agree that winter tires are worth it; I've got Blizzaks on my 2012.

Here's a photo, also with Spikes-spiders mounted:


Of course, even a JGC with Blizzaks and Spikes-spiders can't handle deep snow and steep roads - that calls for this outfit:
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