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Re: RRO 2.5" lift vs Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit vs Old Man EMU - longevity

This was the first time I've seen these 5100 struts. It appears as though you can adjust how high the bottom spring mount is and the strut will compensate? If you are able to raise the mount up to 2.75 inches with this strut alone, why would you need any additional strut spacers in the front? Will this strut allow you essentially to 'lift' or 'level' the front of the WK2 without additional spacers or springs?

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Re: RRO 2.5" lift vs Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit vs Old Man EMU - longevity

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This was the first time I've seen these 5100 struts. It appears as though you can adjust how high the bottom spring mount is and the strut will compensate? If you are able to raise the mount up to 2.75 inches with this strut alone, why would you need any additional strut spacers in the front? Will this strut allow you essentially to 'lift' or 'level' the front of the WK2 without additional spacers or springs?

I am with you here, and countless people at Bilstein want me to believe that. To that end, Im actually going to try it. They say their front 5100 24-225793 can achieve the desired lift I want while retaining the stock spring (im curious about ride quality here). And the back 5100 would need either a spacer or a new spring, but could be put in as a +0 as well (which would keep you from having the rake most kits have anyway). Alternatively, you can also use the variety of TJ Spring spacers available (various lifts) to adjust the rear as you please within the rear 5100 specs.

Sure would be a cheaper way to do it, all while upgrading the shocks/struts from the garbage OEM. I just cant wrap my head around the front and using the 5100 alone. Ill know soon enough. As for now, im on RRO 2.5 + OEM.

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Re: RRO 2.5" lift vs Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit vs Old Man EMU - longevity

I'm bringing in my Laredo next Wednesday to have the 5100 front and rear installed. I will have them level it using the 5100 fronts. (note to self, measure height tomorrow)
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Re: RRO 2.5" lift vs Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit vs Old Man EMU - longevity

Please let us know how it goes! I was set on the Eibach kit, but now I'm leaning toward the 5100 series up front with 1.75 lift and the 5100 in the back with a 1 inch spring spacer using the factory springs. Much cheaper this way, and still get a great strut / shock while retaining that factory rake. Per their website Bilstein seems adamant that the rears wont replace the Nivomat shocks. Are the Nivomat mounts different? Anyone here just replace the Nivomat with a normal aftermarket shock yet? I see that Eibach has a different part number for the lift with the Nivomats.
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Re: RRO 2.5" lift vs Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit vs Old Man EMU - longevity

Hello children

This is pretty cool. I am getting all 4 corners 5100 series Bilstein shocks soon courtesy of Jeep , due to the fact my factory rears have failed... 4 times now. (That is a whole other story, if you want to read more check out this thread: Rearend or rear suspension clunk/creak )

Anywho - let's set the record straight on 5100 series shocks. Yes, they are "ride height adjustable" In what way? They are grooved allowing for the spring seat (yes, this is the technical term for that part) to sit at pre-set heights via whatever groove you select. To learn more about how that works, check out the PDF manual on that product courtesy of Bilstein here: http://cart.bilsteinus.com/pdfs/E4-WM5-Y447A00.pdf

So my situation is a little different than most, as the dealer will install these soon for me at the setting closest to stock height as possible. Down the line I will probably opt to install Eibach's Pro Truck Lift Springs front and rear, and have whatever shop that does that for me, adjust the Spring Seat via the different grooves

Again, these are the front and rear part numbers for 5100 series Bilstein Shocks:

Bilstein 24-225434 (front)
Bilstein 24-225441 (rear)
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Re: RRO 2.5" lift vs Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit vs Old Man EMU - longevity

I am also curious how this goes. I put the RRO deluxe lift on my 2011 JGC and I've loved every second of it...until this last Friday on my way home from work. I started to hear a rattle coming out my right front wheel area. I'm hoping it's simple and just need to re-torque something. I can't help but think factory shocks are failing after 44k miles. With the lift I've gotten new wheels and tires recently so I re-torqued all my lugs just in case but that wasn't it. I looked at all the paint marks on the nuts/bolts from lift install but nothing has moved. It's driving me mad but if I find out it's the shocks, it'll be a relief. If it's worse than that I may actually regret putting 33's on 20's


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I installed the OME kit on my 3.6 Limited a few months ago and so far I'm happy with the product. I also considered the Eibach and Icon kits but just the fact that OME have 3 options for the WK2 leads me to believe their package is a little bit more thought out.

I have the 'no-load' front springs but I'm about to install the medium-load springs because I'm running the full mopar and chief underbody protection packages and I still don't have the ground clearance I'm looking for.

I'm happy to answer any questions for anyone else interested in the OME package.

I had the same issue with OME on the no-load springs, with all the chief bits and Mopar underbody, it was waaay too low.
After 6 visits back to the fitter, I ended up on heavy-duty springs front and back. Am quite pleased with it, but even on the HD springs, the rear sits too low when towing my camper (150kg ball weight)

Edit: front and rear ride heights are now pretty close to the advertised 45mm front, 50mm rear (above factory)

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Re: RRO 2.5" lift vs Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit vs Old Man EMU - longevity

Can anybody clarify this question

5100 series shocks. Lets talk about the front. If you were to put these units at their lowest circlip setting aka .4" of lift for the spring seat... THEN you put in an Eibach 2" lift spring into this setup would the overall height gain yield 2.4"? Or is that not accurate?
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Can anybody clarify this question

5100 series shocks. Lets talk about the front. If you were to put these units at their lowest circlip setting aka .4" of lift for the spring seat... THEN you put in an Eibach 2" lift spring into this setup would the overall height gain yield 2.4"? Or is that not accurate?
Per the hundred emails between bilstein and I... Yes. They are adamant about that. The one thing they say that I don't agree with is that it can be a standalone with stock spring and give the 2.5 lift. I believe it would work, but can't be ideal/good ride.

Anyway, we will see soon enough. They're en route
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Re: RRO 2.5" lift vs Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit vs Old Man EMU - longevity

On another note, if used with 2.5 RRO spacer will the 0-4 minus shock lift go too far? It would help level it a bit more but I fear it's past the point of too much for the rest of the susp
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Re: RRO 2.5" lift vs Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit vs Old Man EMU - longevity

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Per the hundred emails between bilstein and I... Yes. They are adamant about that. The one thing they say that I don't agree with is that it can be a standalone with stock spring and give the 2.5 lift. I believe it would work, but can't be ideal/good ride.

Anyway, we will see soon enough. They're en route
wait wait wait. hold up. I want to be very clear here. 2 parts let me clarify between us

1) Clairfy this please: Based on what Bilstein is saying, the lowest setting (+.4") when used with an Eibach lift spring (+2") will net an overall increase of 2.4" ? Correct?

2) Clairfy this please: Bilstein is telling you 5100 series shocks, without the addition of a lift spring (just utilizing the OEM spring) you could achieve a 2.5" lift? That doesn't seem right since their own guide indicates the highest circlip groove allowing for 1.75" of overall lift
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Re: RRO 2.5" lift vs Eibach All Terrain Lift Kit vs Old Man EMU - longevity

I would be apprehensive about putting the Eibach springs with the Bilstein struts up front. I'm assuming that the Eibach strut is physically longer to accommodate the taller springs. The Bilstein's appear to be designed for the stock spring height and trying to install a much taller spring may not even work when trying to get the strut top hat on. If you can get the top hat on, the springs might be so compressed that the ride suffers. I would compare the lengths of the two struts (fully compressed, fully extended, overall length, etc.) and discuss with Eibach prior to making the purchase. Another option if you wanted to go the Bilstein route is to add a spacer to the top of the strut. A RRO 'trim packer' 3/8 inch with the struts set to 1.75 inch lift, or the RRO leveling kit (1.75) on top of the Bilsteins set to the two lowest levels (.4 or .75) would allow you to achieve up to 2.5 inches of approximate lift. Everything I've read about the WK2 is that 2.5 inches of lift is close to the max allowed when just doing suspension mods.
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