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Old 04-13-2015, 10:28 PM
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Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

I am preparing to finalize my wheel/tire decision in the upcoming weeks and go with a new set of 20x9's with "warm" season tires (Dueller Alenza Plus or Yoko Spec-X 285/50/20) along with a separate set of "winter" tires (DuraTrac 285/50/20) going on my stock Altitude 20" rims.

The service rep at my local Discount suggested that I stick with 265/50/20 for winter tires because he indicates that the thinner width helps cut through the snow better. I do love the looks of the wider tire on the stock rim (285 versus 265). I don't remember reading this before through the tons of threads I have been involved in regarding tire research or reviews.

Should I really include this as part of my decision?

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Re: Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

Winter tread design > Thinner tires in my opinion. I think he's full of shit. Get the tire width you want with a tread design for the conditions you're in and you'll be fine.
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Re: Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

Thinner tires are marginally better in snow, but you are splitting hairs in this case.
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Re: Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

Greetings,

Years ago, thinner tires were recommended for cutting thru snow. With JGC, today many tire dealers and others recommend the 18 inch rim as the better snow cutter over the 20 inch rim. It is the concept of tall narrow tires. The age old debate.

The new school of thought today is, because of advancement in technology it does not matter any more. This is now all about the softer compounds used and additional siping on the tread blocks which give you the grip in the colder temps. the other factor to along with that is the shoulder design on how block cuts into the snow and the tread design.

The best bet, find a tire that suits your winter driving applications. If you drive in just 1 region for the winter and nowhere else, then ask your friends or fellow drivers waiting at the service center for their opinion. If you travel around to various other regions with various different conditions like I do, I check with the reviews from owners that live in Canada and the other snow belt areas of here in the States.

Since you are going for dedicated winter tires, wait to the end of August when the new models start to get introduce for the forth coming season. There maybe an old proven tire that got an important upgrade.

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Re: Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

I've had narrower winter tires on my Charger SRT8 & currently run the stock size 295/45/R20 winter tires on my Jeep SRT8. To be honest, I haven't really noticed a difference in winter driving, both handling driving through 6" of snow very well.

It's my opinion that the winter tire's thread design and rubber compound is more important than the tread width, for urban & highway driving.

The reason I went with the narrower tire on the Charger was that I was able to get a wider tire sidewall height between the road & the wheel rim. I was afraid that if I hit a large icy rut or pothole with the stock size low profile tires, I could damage a rim.
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Re: Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

All other things equal, narrow is better in Winter. I would not, however, decide which tire to get based primarily on tire width, the difference is not significant. As several have stated, it's the compound and tread design that matter much, much more.

You've made the decision to get winter tires. That decision puts you miles ahead of everyone else I see around here in upstate NY with their "all weather" (with few exceptions that is the same as "summer" to me) tires in the winter slipping and sliding all over the place. Get good Winter tires and don't worry about the width. That's my advice, FWIW.

Personally I would go with 18's instead of 20's for winter though. Like JohnS I prefer all the sidewall I can get out there in the late winter, early spring...have you seen those potholes this year???
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Re: Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

Unless the logjam has busted in the 20 inch size range, I'd suggest 18 inch wheels and snows for winter mainly due to the larger variety of tires and treads available last year in the 18 size. They also tend to be just a tad cheaper.

Narrow vs wide went out last century, but is still tire folklore today. Pretty much a non-issue vs the tread compound/patterns available.

Get the tires you want that look like you want--then at least you'll look good if you do end up in the ditch.
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Re: Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

Great advice everyone! I may just decide to put the 3 seasons (285/50) tires on my stock 20's and then get some 18" wheels along with winter tires later in the year. It sounds much more understandable regarding using the 18" for the winter. Of course I am also in a state (MI) that gives the gift of potholes during the winter.


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Re: Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

The narrow vs wide tire design is an age old debate and while great advances have been made in tire technology the narrower tire remain the choice of racing outfits. I do have a feeling this is not the crowd to talk to about the Dakar Rally and the inclement weather and terrain they encounter (sand, mud, snow) but you don't see wide radials on those race trucks. Narrow tall tires were preferred by Camel Trophy participants and are preferred by WRC Rally teams for those tarmac stages.

Now, our Jeeps are not performance machines (except the SRT) and none of us really could tell the difference between narrower and wider tires unless we did side by side comparisons in extreme conditions. But the 18" rims are preferred for winter tires due to more sidewall, to help with the potholes. I would personally run a narrower tire if given the choice of dedicated rims. I will run narrower tires when it is time to change the Lats.

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With stock rims (265-60-R18) I plan on running 255-65-R18 or the closest feasible equivalent (245-65-R18) next time I shop for tires. The replacements are within +1-2% in overall diameter but some 0.5 inches narrower. Wider tires are for the race track where you need lateral grip. Or for glam looks. I need neither.
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Re: Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

In heavy slush wouldn't the width cost a bit in mpg?

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Re: Smaller Tire Width for Winter?

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In heavy slush wouldn't the width cost a bit in mpg?

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Greetings,

There is some factor that a wide tire will cost MPG to a small degree. The wider the tire the more friction you will in occur. You must likely have this with a wet heavy snow. The more torque your engine has the better it will help you with a wider tire.

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