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Old 03-09-2014, 12:33 PM
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

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Other than a big hole in your checking account what do you hope to gain by going with the Brembo SRT 8 upgrade? Why do you feel you need these brakes? Do you really like the cute red calipers that much Brembo stuff is way overpriced. You really dont need drilled rotors. Earl's brake lines, a good high performance street brake pad and a brake fluid with a high wet boiling point will give 90%+ of Brembo performance at a significantly reduced cost. Check out other similar systems from Baer etc.

I am on his side. There is NO need for SRT brakes on a non-racing version of the car. Unless you take your Jeep to the race track every day and you road race (not drag strip mind you), or you spend your time going up and down Pikes Peak several times a day, there is absolutely no need for Brembos for the average consumer. Racing brakes like Brembos are great for combating brake fade and braking as late as possible in a corner at the race track under a timed test.

Here's why:
According to Jeep, the SRT stops from 60 mph to zero in about 116 feet. Impressive feat...but it is not all due to the Brembo 6-piston (front) and 4-piston (rear) calipers, and vented rotors at all four corners measuring 15-inches (front) and 13.8-inches (rear). Tires play a big role in the braking performance, as do the brake pads.

2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT First Drive - Autoblog
The hot 2012-2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8

Proof is in the pudding...

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...6-overland.pdf

"tires give out easy, minimal grip under braking"

The moment you lock the brakes and ABS kicks in, the car is slowing down at a rate dictated more by the grip of the tires on the road, and not so much by the larger brake diameter and the clamping power of the calipers. Sure, the ABS logic also matters, but all cars have brakes that can lock.

This instrumented test has the 2011 Grand Cherokee V6 stop from 60 mph to 0 in 125 feet and I remember reading 124 feet for the 2014 model year, i cannot find the reference currently.

Track Tested: 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4x4 V6

An 8 feet difference might make the difference in an accident, I absolutely agree. But I also am a firm believer that the average prudent driver can account for 8 feet of distance and work this additional gap in any following distance on the interstate or some other highway where he would be forced to implement such a drastic braking maneuver.

And don't get me wrong. BREMBO brakes are phenomenal for racing purposes. They have fantastic reproducibility, they resist brake fade and will stop from racing speeds much faster than regular car brakes, again and again and again. But Brembos are overkill for cars that are not meant to go to the race track, like the Laredo/Limited/Overland/Summit trims. They make sense on the SRT8.

Also, between a 65,000 dollar SRT8 Jeep and a 35,000 Subaru STI, stock for stock, I would take the Subaru to a race track. And when it comes to increasing performance, for the same $1000 dollars spent, you gain more by modifying the turbocharged Subaru, weighing 2000 lbs less, than the SRT8 Jeep. At the end of the day, cars like SRT8 Jeeps are neither road going race cars nor something to take off-road over boulders. They are fantastic niche vehicles.
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Just like for the Subarus, there are 3 types of brakes installed on the Grand Cherokee. The SRT Brembos (top of the line); the ORA-spec heavy duty brakes and the Laredo brakes. I already have the medium-spec brakes so I do not need to upgrade but one day I will look into better pads/rotors, but NOT Brembos. On the Subaru, I these days run HAWK HPS (front) and HP+ (rear) which dials a bit more brake bias to the rear (HP+ compound is softer than HPS). The downside is brake dust, but the braking feel is improved. A good brake fluid like the German ATE Blue or Motul is also required. Over the years I also used EBC pads and DBA (Disk Brakes Australia) rotors but I am done pretending I am Michael Schumacher and look for car parts inline with my life style and choices (married, mortgage etc).
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

the major problem wit the stock nonSRt brakes is overheating and brake fade. I tested the stock brakes with stock pads and stock brakes with aftermarket pads on my 2011 Durango. BOTH suffered severely from brake fade after two hard stops. Stops got progressively longer and less steady with each braking. IMHO if you do a lot of stop and go driving, mountain driving, towing or just spirited sunday drives.....the brembo upgrade is a SAFE and relatively CHEAP upgrade. The front 6 piston brembo calipers are less than $600 for BOTH on some mopar parts sites and you can get aftermarket rotors and pads for about $400. That's $1000 for HUGE 6 piston brembos on the front! Same prices for the rear. I think its the best bang for buck brake upgrade available. ALL the BBK upgrade kits are like $6000....LOL. That's nuts.


and I would take my chances with the EXTRA 8 ft. LOL
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

There are plenty of us SUV owners who actually tow. Larger brakes with much better fade resistance gives you much higher safety margins.
It would be a no-brainer to me, and that's not going into how much better it would be to regulate the brakes in an emergency stop.
IMO, this is a more worthwhile upgrade for $1K than spending $2K on the tech group and its electronic nannies warning me of a crash.
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

if anyone gets back on topic, i'm actually shopping around for some replica rims for some winter tires come next year. any idea if they have some slimmer rims that would clear the brembos?

i haven't got the chance to install my brembo on my durango(even heavier when the wk2) but i think of it purely as a safety upgrade more then anything. The Hemi encourages spirited driving for sure. Under 3k for a full brembo setup is great anyday of the week
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

the 20x9 gen1 srt replicas clear the brakes just fine. FR tested them on a 2012 jeep SRT and theres 2012-2014's running 20x9's
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

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the 20x9 gen1 srt replicas clear the brakes just fine. FR tested them on a 2012 jeep SRT and theres 2012-2014's running 20x9's
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

I just got done installing Brembo's on my diesel Limited the other day...

For guys against them don't forget the Brembo's are a fixed caliper, as opposed to the stock floating caliper type. Fixed is a better and more powerful, yet more costly design, but it provides better pedal feel, as well as more even brake pad wear, because pressure is applied evenly via pistons on each side of the rotor, whereas a floating caliper the piston side pad hits the rotor first, then pulls the caliper over and hits the outside pad. No, pad wear asymmetry doesn't really matter, but having pistons on both sides press the rotor gives them more clamping power and it is applied more evenly than a floating caliper. That's why fast and high end cars use fixed calipers; because they stop and feel better.

I'll be the first to admit I don't need Brembo's on my truck, hell SRT's don't even need them either. Unless you drive on a track or drive like a reckless jackass on public roads no car needs them. But there's no way some braided brake line and fluid upgrades on a floating (stock) caliper brake system can touch a high end multi-piston fixed caliper design, I don't care what you think that's fact.

And like was mentioned these are a great bang for the buck upgrade when on any other car they are many thousands of dollars. I figured what other car would I have that I could get them for this cost

And yeah, I really do like the "cute red calipers" that much
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

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I just got done installing Brembo's on my diesel Limited the other day...

For guys against them don't forget the Brembo's are a fixed caliper, as opposed to the stock floating caliper type. Fixed is a better and more powerful, yet more costly design, but it provides better pedal feel, as well as more even brake pad wear, because pressure is applied evenly via pistons on each side of the rotor, whereas a floating caliper the piston side pad hits the rotor first, then pulls the caliper over and hits the outside pad. No, pad wear asymmetry doesn't really matter, but having pistons on both sides press the rotor gives them more clamping power and it is applied more evenly than a floating caliper. That's why fast and high end cars use fixed calipers; because they stop and feel better.

I'll be the first to admit I don't need Brembo's on my truck, hell SRT's don't even need them either. Unless you drive on a track or drive like a reckless jackass on public roads no car needs them. But there's no way some braided brake line and fluid upgrades on a floating (stock) caliper brake system can touch a high end multi-piston fixed caliper design, I don't care what you think that's fact.

And like was mentioned these are a great bang for the buck upgrade when on any other car they are many thousands of dollars. I figured what other car would I have that I could get them for this cost

And yeah, I really do like the "cute red calipers" that much
I second your statement ... sexy brembos that make an actual difference.
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

Plus you have to put larger wheels on which in turn requires larger tires, which has a larger footprint to take advantage of the additional braking ability the Brembo brakes provide.

No such thing as too much brake when towing
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

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the 20x9 gen1 srt replicas clear the brakes just fine. FR tested them on a 2012 jeep SRT and theres 2012-2014's running 20x9's
I'm reading the specs of 20x9s on ebay and some are running 35mm offset, so wouldn't a 20x9 genII wheel with 37+ offset fit with the brembos? There is also some listed with 32mm and 34mm which makes me wonder who is measuring correctly here?? Thanks again
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I'm reading the specs of 20x9s on ebay and some are running 35mm offset, so wouldn't a 20x9 genII wheel with 37+ offset fit with the brembos? There is also some listed with 32mm and 34mm which makes me wonder who is measuring correctly here?? Thanks again
brembo fitment isn't all about offset, depends a lot wheel design
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Re: SRT8 Replicas that would fit SRT8 Brembo Brakes

I think OE Wheels LLC posted here that the replicas gen2 SRT wheels dont fit the SRT because of the calipers. Are they gen2 srt replicas(spydermonkeys?)
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