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I just got $617cdn credit with GY for my Forterra tires. Didn't want another set....got Adventure ATs in 275 55 r 20. Vibe is virtually gone and steering is much improved.
Thats great how many miles where on them? They seem to give pretty good $$ for credit. I had about 19000 miles on them and they offered me $440 not bad as new Forteras at TireRack were selling for $128 each

Do you recall the roadfroce number on them?

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Old 10-24-2015, 11:04 AM
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The Factory warranty on the tires requires a certified goodyear dealer to not only check for flat spots but requires the tires to be tested on a Hunter Road Force balancer, That device generates a number . if that number is much higher than 12-14 you have an issue . Lets say it 28. They would break both the beads on the tire so it can be rotated on the rim. the rotate it 180 degrees and then balance it and road force test it again. If they cant get that number below that #12 again they are required to prorate the tire and since all 4 need to be changed at once you get a prorated $$ for all 4. Did Tire Discount Road Force your tires and what was each tires road force number?
I agree with you above on about 12 and a good chance there will be issues on these larger rims much above that. Unfortunately many shops including some dealers use higher numbers as their cut offs like 22 for SUVs and there sits the problem, numbers in the 20s may have gotten by years ago before all theses larger rims and low profile tires. Those numbers don't cut it today and you need those lower numbers to eliminate the shaking. A set of bridgestone (never again) tires I had before the michelins they had to send back 3 of the 4 for high numbers. Of those 3 replacements one had to go back. Finding shops that get that and also know how to use the road force balancer properly isn't always easy. Add to that the forteras are crap tires with a higher incidence of shaking and we see why Jeep got tired of battling this and finally dumped the forteras for the 2016 model year.
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Re: Steering wheel vibration at 70MPH

What is Jeep using for 2016? I Just bought a set of the Yokohama Ice Guards for my true Winter tire.
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Old 10-24-2015, 11:21 AM
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What is Jeep using for 2016? I Just bought a set of the Yokohama Ice Guards for my true Winter tire.
The 20s get Bridgestones or you can get Pirelli as an option. And the ORAII actually gets a real off road tire instead of a highway tire. There is a thread floating around here somewhere with the specifics. I think that jeep realized that trying to save money putting forteras on that cost half as much and having their top of the line vehicles shaking down the road was a mistake so cudos to them for finally doing that but too bad it took them 5 years to realize it.
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Re: Steering wheel vibration at 70MPH

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Thats great how many miles where on them? They seem to give pretty good $$ for credit. I had about 19000 miles on them and they offered me $440 not bad as new Forteras at TireRack were selling for $128 each

Do you recall the roadfroce number on them?
11,xxx km on them.
One of the fronts would not get under 20
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Re: Steering wheel vibration at 70MPH

Discount tire never told me the road force numbers , they just said 2 of the Goodyears were out of balance 1 by .75 and the other 1.25. They did say that other then that the tires didn't show signs of flat spotting or any imperfections
by there road force balancer and hand or visual inspections.


Goodyear would only credit me $84.33 for each of the 2 tires nothing for the
other ones since they didn't require any re-balancing.



Question Discount tire didn't have Michelin's in stock for the tour hp or premier
they recommend Yokohama Parada Spec-X or I can wait or should I just try
Costco seeing that my issue is worse now since the worked on it.


Do I sound furstrated I am just like I'm sure a lot of us are !!!
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Discount tire never told me the road force numbers , they just said 2 of the Goodyears were out of balance 1 by .75 and the other 1.25. They did say that other then that the tires didn't show signs of flat spotting or any imperfections
by there road force balancer and hand or visual inspections.


Goodyear would only credit me $84.33 for each of the 2 tires nothing for the
other ones since they didn't require any re-balancing.



Question Discount tire didn't have Michelin's in stock for the tour hp or premier
they recommend Yokohama Parada Spec-X or I can wait or should I just try
Costco seeing that my issue is worse now since the worked on it.


Do I sound furstrated I am just like I'm sure a lot of us are !!!
id go Yokohmama you can get them for 118 you have to do all 4 cause of thw AWD. Sell the 2 good GY on Craigslist and move on..
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Re: Steering wheel vibration at 70MPH

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Discount tire never told me the road force numbers , they just said 2 of the Goodyears were out of balance 1 by .75 and the other 1.25. They did say that other then that the tires didn't show signs of flat spotting or any imperfections
by there road force balancer and hand or visual inspections.


Goodyear would only credit me $84.33 for each of the 2 tires nothing for the
other ones since they didn't require any re-balancing.



Question Discount tire didn't have Michelin's in stock for the tour hp or premier
they recommend Yokohama Parada Spec-X or I can wait or should I just try
Costco seeing that my issue is worse now since the worked on it.


Do I sound furstrated I am just like I'm sure a lot of us are !!!
I feel for you I went through the same craziness nearly 2 years ago with this. remember the forteras are a cheap tire to start they cost about half as much as many of the quality tires out there so you often wont get much on prorating from them. Those guys getting over $400 dollar credits did well for themselves but don't consider that the norm on a tire that cost $128 new.
Just my opinion and from someone who has been through the mill on this stay with the Michelins if you are having balance issues. I'm sure the spec-x is a fine tire but when contending with balance issues stay with the Michelins and don't go for cost. remember a tire shop is going to want to sell you whatever they have in stock to get you out the door that day don't trust them tell them the one you want. when I bought the Michelins the shop owner told me they were the go to brand of tire for balance issues he said very few ever come back with balance issues. having always had Michelins on all my other cars and then experiencing shaking with the forteras and the Bridgestone's I agree with him. don't go to Costco they don't do road force balancers or they didn't the last time I was there they also don't stock Michelins in our size. our 265/50R20 size is a little bit of an odd ball and often they will need to order that tire size regardless where you buy.

I picked up some vibration about a month ago and I had all four road force balanced and rotated (2 hours and $89 at the dealer) and it was back to smooth as glass. tech said he thinks one or two of the tires had thorn weights which can happen after a couple years with these two sided tape weights they use now.

my opinion is eat the cost and take whatever prorate you can get out of the forteras and get either the Michelin Premier LTX or the Michelin Defender LTX M/S and go somewhere that road force balances and specify you want them road force balanced, it does make a difference. road force balancing takes longer and costs more but it is worth it.

typically I don't like dealers but I have found that the ones with road force balancers have done better than private shops because they are a little more familiar with these larger rims on the jeeps and getting the numbers down. or if you find a good speed shop that does road force they can be good also as they often have customers with larger rims.
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Also something I forgot to mention is dealers run specials sometimes of buy 3 get one free on tires. I was questioning my dealer on this and it did apply to orders not just in stock tires. I had him work me up a quote and it really was getting one free and he was ready to order them for me. it wasn't the bait and switch I thought it was going to be so you can check with your dealer on this might save you some

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Re: Steering wheel vibration at 70MPH

Thanks so much for your input, I ended back at Discount tire and they re did the road force balance and found 2 Goodyear's with heavy spots. They rotated
the tires 180 putting heavy spot down by valve stem and re-balanced them
been on freeway twice and what a difference. I have to say so far it seems better then before I ever went there more like it was when new.


Also he's going to notify me when Michelin Premier LTX comes in, and I'll call
my dealership to see if there's any deals going on and in the mean time I'll
get some more use out of these Goodyear's.


Once again thanks for all your input , and I glad we all can help each other
out


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Re: Steering wheel vibration at 70MPH

Glad they got it worked out for you. good they broke the bead and rotated them that's part of taking the time to do a good road force balancing job. many shops wont take the time to do that but they should if the machine is calling for it, its part of doing the job properly.
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For those of you who go some money for your Goodyears under the millage warranty, Did you have to replace them with goodyears ? I just would love not to have put them back on the jeep, as I'm down to 2/32 with only 19k on the jeep.
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