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Re: Tire Inflation With Nitrogen

Nitrogen is less sensitive to temperature change than air?

Good ole Boyle must be rolling over in his grave.
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Old 10-02-2011, 01:42 PM
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Re: Tire Inflation With Nitrogen

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Nitrogen is less sensitive to temperature change than air?

Good ole Boyle must be rolling over in his grave.
I don't know why he would be rolling over in his grave. Boyle's law states at a constant temperature for a fixed mass, the absolute pressure and volume of a gas are inversely proportional (p1)V1=(p2)V2

To prove my point further that gasses tend to expand as temperatures rise please refer to Charles's law. Charles law states that if the pressure of a gas is kept constant and if you heat said gas, the volume will change. V1/T1=V2/T2

Now you dig a little deeper you will find the Emile Clapeyron combined these two laws into one called the.... wait for it.......Combined Law aka the ideal gas law. This law allows one to prove that if the volume of a gas is held constant and the temperature of said gas is increased or decreased the pressure of pressure of said gas will increase or decrease proportionately.

Now that we have proved that gases expand and contract with the rise and fall of temperatures, and that if the volume of said gas is held constant while it is being heated ( or cooled) the pressure will go up (or down) accordingly, we can now go into the fact that two gasses of different compositions will have different specific gravity. This difference in specific gravity will allow the two gasses of constant volumes and introducing the same amount of BTU's to exert different pressures.
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Re: Tire Inflation With Nitrogen

Here is a question...

Can I change out the Nitrogen for regular AIR?!?

I know where there are 3 gas stations that offer FREE air within 10 miles of where I live but I don't know of a SINGLE place that offers Nitogren (other than the Dealership).
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Re: Tire Inflation With Nitrogen

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Here is a question...

Can I change out the Nitrogen for regular AIR?!?

I know where there are 3 gas stations that offer FREE air within 10 miles of where I live but I don't know of a SINGLE place that offers Nitogren (other than the Dealership).
If you need to add air you can mix Nitrogen with air. Just an fyi many tire places offer Nitrogen.
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Re: Tire Inflation With Nitrogen

Might there be a third and better choice among all the available gases out there besides nitrogen and plain old air?
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Might there be a third and better choice among all the available gases out there besides nitrogen and plain old air?
The noble gasses are guaranteed not to react with anything, so there's no possibility of attacking the tire from the inside. And you'll want the biggest possible molecule so it won't tunnel through the tire and will have a high specific gravity. That means your best choice is radon. It's gawd-awful expensive, but you can make your own at home by collecting it from radium.
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Re: Tire Inflation With Nitrogen

This thread cracks me up.

Not sure if it's because of the one's with bigger brains or from the one's with smaller brains.

Either way... please continue.
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Paying for nitrogen is kinda like paying for bottled water...
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Re: Tire Inflation With Nitrogen

What?! Air is 78% nitrogen? You mean I'm breathing that stuff? OMG........OMG.........I'm heading over to the oxygen bar.
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Re: Tire Inflation With Nitrogen

For automobile use, it doesn't matter what type of inert gas you use, at some point, an atmospheric equilibrium WILL be reached.

Yes, the nitrogen gen stations have very effective dryers on them which does great in removing moisture, but any shop that has a decent dryer system on their "normal air" compressors will get the job done all in the same.

I'm with Milous on this issue. However, instead of paying for bottled water, I'll make you a great deal on some dehydrated water. I'm the only one offering it currently. Get it before it's gone.
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Re: Tire Inflation With Nitrogen

Perhaps one of the chemists on this thread can calculate the increase in gas mileage due to reduced vehicle weight if I fill my tires with helium?!
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However, instead of paying for bottled water, I'll make you a great deal on some dehydrated water. I'm the only one offering it currently. Get it before it's gone.
Let me guess: you sell it in little packets that you just empty into glasses-full of water to rehydrate? Probably a lot cheaper than bottle water, and saves space too!

You can sign my ex-wife up for a case of packets.

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