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Re: Transfer case fluid change

Are the Amsoil and/or the Red Line product recommendations also acceptable, or will the use of a lube other than the MoPar stuff, void the warranty?

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Re: Transfer case fluid change

Dealer would have to prove the lube caused the failure.
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I decided to go a head and do all three since they were easy and quick. Its not entirely necessary at 30k but I have always believed in doing the first fluid changes a little early on vehicles that will be kept for the very long term. The transfer case fluid was fine and not discolored at all. The front differential was mostly clear and not bad at all. I don't tow at all but the rear differential fluid was black, though color alone is not always an indication of fouled fluid still was glad I decided to change the rear, waiting until the manuals 120k would have been pushing it a little I think. I stuck with the recommended mopar fluids in all three. Definitely nice to have drain and fill plugs on the differentials. The last vehicle that I changed differential fluid on had to have the covers taken off which is more of a mess and pain then the easy way these ones are.
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Re: Transfer case fluid change

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I decided to go a head and do all three since they were easy and quick. Its not entirely necessary at 30k but I have always believed in doing the first fluid changes a little early on vehicles that will be kept for the very long term. The transfer case fluid was fine and not discolored at all. The front differential was mostly clear and not bad at all. I don't tow at all but the rear differential fluid was black, though color alone is not always an indication of fouled fluid still was glad I decided to change the rear, waiting until the manuals 120k would have been pushing it a little I think. I stuck with the recommended mopar fluids in all three. Definitely nice to have drain and fill plugs on the differentials. The last vehicle that I change differential fluid on had to have the covers taken off which is more of a mess and pain then the easy way these ones are.

Thanks for the heads up. I have yet to crawl under the vehicle yet but you mention drain and fill plugs. Is that for all 3?
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Thanks for the heads up. I have yet to crawl under the vehicle yet but you mention drain and fill plugs. Is that for all 3?
yes correct drain and fill plugs are on all three just drive around and warm the fluid up a little undo the drain plugs drain it and then put fluid in the fill plug until it starts coming out, put the plug in and you are done. If you have skid plates the transfer case skid and front diff skid need to come off, that was the only part I considered a pain but they come off easy enough just a few bolts on each, just an extra step if you have skids. If you have quadra lift that helps just put all the way up and throw a few jack stands under for safety and you can get to everything.

The only bad part of this was the fluid cost if you stay with the oem mopar stuff which I did. the transfercase fluid is just ATF+4 so is cheap and only a few dollars but the front and rear diff fluid is about $40 a quart. there are other brands that are cheaper but I decided to stay with the OEM
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Re: Transfer case fluid change

I hope the weather will be warming up soon, so I'm getting ready to do an oil change on the diffs and transfer case. Although my GC will have only 5000 miles on it, I strongly believe in preventive maintenance.

Here's my dilemma......I have a '15 GC Limited, with ORAII and Quadra-DRIVEII. I look in my owners manual, to see what oil is recommended for the T/C. The manual lists a single speed T/C, which takes AT fluid 3353. It also lists a two speed T/C, indicated for Quadra-TRACII applications, which tales ATF+4 fluid. There's no mention at all, of what T/C is used in the Quadra-Drive system.

I was thinking of using Red Line oil, as I've used it in my Corvette for years, with good results, as well as the fact that I have several quarts of the gear lube in my possession. I look on the Red Line Oil application chart, and while they show one of their diff oils as being applicable, they don't show a T/C oil. I e-mailed them, and their "tech rep" replies that to the best of their knowledge, my Jeep has a NV245 T/C, and they don't have an oil for that gearbox. BUT, he continued, if it has some other T/C, which the owners manual implies it has, then their C+ATF could work, as it's comparable to ATF+4.

I look at the Amsoil website, and they actually make references to the differential and T/C by design number. They list the '15 GC as having either a 2010 or 3023 T/C, and in either case, they use an automatic transmission fluid as the lube, and a particular Amsoil fluid is listed.

I look at the "WK2Jeeps.com" website, and their site shows the T/C being the MP3023, and the lube is ATF+4.

And of course, MoPar shows their own lubes that are applicable, with, of course, pretty high price mark ups. But even if I went with the MoPar lubes, I'm still not positive what I need to use in the T/C. So, after all of this, what are all of you guys using??

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Re: Transfer case fluid change

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yes correct drain and fill plugs are on all three just drive around and warm the fluid up a little undo the drain plugs drain it and then put fluid in the fill plug until it starts coming out, put the plug in and you are done. If you have skid plates the transfer case skid and front diff skid need to come off, that was the only part I considered a pain but they come off easy enough just a few bolts on each, just an extra step if you have skids. If you have quadra lift that helps just put all the way up and throw a few jack stands under for safety and you can get to everything.

The only bad part of this was the fluid cost if you stay with the oem mopar stuff which I did. the transfercase fluid is just ATF+4 so is cheap and only a few dollars but the front and rear diff fluid is about $40 a quart. there are other brands that are cheaper but I decided to stay with the OEM
My dealer quoted around $500 for this work. Claimed it was the cost of the fluid?? What should it typically cost to have this work done at a dealer? I was thinking around $200.
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My dealer quoted around $500 for this work. Claimed it was the cost of the fluid?? What should it typically cost to have this work done at a dealer? I was thinking around $200.
IIRC, about 4 quarts, overall, of gear lube is needed, and the MoPar lube is $45-55/qt. That's close to $200 right there. If the T/C takes ATF+4, the MoPar lube is about $10/qt. I thought it took 1 quart, but in all the bopping back and forth I did on 3-4 websites today, I also thought I saw someplace where the T/C took 2 quarts. So that is either $10 or $20.

Most dealers charge somewhere around $90-100 per hour, for shop time, and I'd suspect the job would take around 1.5-2 hours. So, there's $400, or so.......
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My dealer quoted around $500 for this work. Claimed it was the cost of the fluid?? What should it typically cost to have this work done at a dealer? I was thinking around $200.
This is one of those things that takes them no time and cost them very little and they charge a boat load for. They should be charging less than half that $500 in my opinion

I just did all three a month or two back they are easier than doing an oil change. The differentials and tcase have drain plugs, drain them and fill them that's it. Shouldn't take you more than a half hour to do all three in your driveway and it should take your dealer less than that on a lift. add a little more time if you have skid plates.

The front diff takes 1.2 Quarts, the rear takes 1.2 quarts (if ELSD its 1.4 and ELSD fluid) so total 2.4 quarts. I paid $40 a quart x3 is $120. transfer case holds 2 quarts at $6 per quart = $12. So $132 for your fluids if you buy them. remember the dealer doesn't pay anywhere near those fluid prices that's what you pay. they probably buy this stuff by the 55 gallon drum.

So look at it this way less than a half hour of their time and probably half of that $132 for their cost if that and they want $500. every business needs to make a profit but they don't need to gouge people.
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I hope the weather will be warming up soon, so I'm getting ready to do an oil change on the diffs and transfer case. Although my GC will have only 5000 miles on it, I strongly believe in preventive maintenance.

Here's my dilemma......I have a '15 GC Limited, with ORAII and Quadra-DRIVEII. I look in my owners manual, to see what oil is recommended for the T/C. The manual lists a single speed T/C, which takes AT fluid 3353. It also lists a two speed T/C, indicated for Quadra-TRACII applications, which tales ATF+4 fluid. There's no mention at all, of what T/C is used in the Quadra-Drive system.

I was thinking of using Red Line oil, as I've used it in my Corvette for years, with good results, as well as the fact that I have several quarts of the gear lube in my possession. I look on the Red Line Oil application chart, and while they show one of their diff oils as being applicable, they don't show a T/C oil. I e-mailed them, and their "tech rep" replies that to the best of their knowledge, my Jeep has a NV245 T/C, and they don't have an oil for that gearbox. BUT, he continued, if it has some other T/C, which the owners manual implies it has, then their C+ATF could work, as it's comparable to ATF+4.

I look at the Amsoil website, and they actually make references to the differential and T/C by design number. They list the '15 GC as having either a 2010 or 3023 T/C, and in either case, they use an automatic transmission fluid as the lube, and a particular Amsoil fluid is listed.

I look at the "WK2Jeeps.com" website, and their site shows the T/C being the MP3023, and the lube is ATF+4.

And of course, MoPar shows their own lubes that are applicable, with, of course, pretty high price mark ups. But even if I went with the MoPar lubes, I'm still not positive what I need to use in the T/C. So, after all of this, what are all of you guys using??

TIA!!
you got the 3023 and it takes 2 quarts of ATF+4 fluid. gallon jug of it is 05013458AA which is around $24 I think. good to have a little extra and you can use the other two the next time.

on the diffs make sure you get the mopar fluid(or equivalent) with friction modifier for the ELSD in the rear. 68083381AA

The front diff can use 05136035AA or 68083381AA
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you got the 3023 and it takes 2 quarts of ATF+4 fluid. gallon jug of it is 05013458AA which is around $24 I think. good to have a little extra and you can use the other two the next time.

on the diffs make sure you get the mopar fluid(or equivalent) with friction modifier for the ELSD in the rear. 68083381AA

The front diff can use 05136035AA or 68083381AA

Just so I understand exactly what you're saying, is the MoPar fluid preferred, for some reason, or is Amsoil, for instance, just as good?

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Just so I understand exactly what you're saying, is the MoPar fluid preferred, for some reason, or is Amsoil, for instance, just as good?

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I have been sticking with the mopar fluid as that has been my preference but you dont have to as long as what you select meets the spec. Alot of people do go with other fluids as it saves them money. Just make sure you meet the spec and viscocity 75w-85 for the diffs. Since you do have ELSD in the rear make sure whatever you use has the proper friction modifier in it, if i remember correctly i think someone said amsoil does have it with the friction modifier. I have ELSD also and i was a little worried going away from the mopar elsd fluid so i stayed with it, its only 1.4 quarts. Im sure the others like amsoil are fine also was just my preference to stay with the mopar fluids.
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