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Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing

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The first mistake was getting a Fleece IMHO. I've yet to meet a person that had a lower TCO from leasing even with no mods and low miles..but some deals might be better somehow. Those in bankruptcy or with bad credit may have benefits. Whatever works.

As for curb rash, the 18's on my ORA2 Limited have just enough pooch in the sidewall to kiss the curb without grinding a rim. If you ease into a curb at a slight intersecting angle and keep moving forward after contact, you can flex the sidewall enough to grind the rim. My wife's ORA2 06 GC has her handy work signature on the front passenger rim, so its definitely possible.

A slightly wider 20 in certain tires may provide enough pooch for curb rash protection also.
This thread is about the 20" not whether I bought or leased. Leasing is negotiable like everything else and if you or someone you know got a "fleece" instead it's because they didn't do the math. It's all written out there are no secrets.
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Old 03-18-2014, 12:43 PM
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The lease creates a predicament...as was pointed out by others. You wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't pertinent to changing wheels. Some do get a better deal, or may think they got a better deal. There's a lot of obfuscation in these contracts. Either way...its all the same to me.

Sorry for hijacking your thread. I didn't realize it was a sensitive subject. Hopefully my comment about 18's still being susceptible to curb rash based on experience is useful info.
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The lease creates a predicament...as was pointed out by others. You wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't pertinent to changing wheels. Some do get a better deal, or may think they got a better deal. There's a lot of obfuscation in these contracts. Either way...its all the same to me.

Sorry for hijacking your thread. I didn't realize it was a sensitive subject. Hopefully my comment about 18's still being susceptible to curb rash based on experience is useful info.
Unfortunately your assuming way too much. It wasn't sensitive until you mentioned it as a fleece in a thread that isn't about leasing. I know how to add so I know what's in my lease. It seems to me that your overly sensitive about leasing for some reason. This isn't a black and white situation, of course 18" wheels can get curb rash but the frequency and likelihood of doing so is less, duh!
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Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing

Drove the 18 and 20's. I like the way the 20 look and feel. Have had no problem with potholes or curb rash. They are inflated on the higher end so that protects the rims in the holes.

95% will be highway or light off road. If I really take it offroad, I will get a 2nd set of 18's and switch them out.
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Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing

I hate the way the 18s feel, like riding on pillows, squirm all over the place, takes what seems like an infinite amount of time to grab when turning into a turn, have to do an emergency maneuver at 80 and its pucker pants time. There is absolutely no road feedback along with the poor road handling. My snow/ice 18s ride rougher than the 20s and don't handle nearly as well. I can't wait to get the 20s back on and the driving satisfaction they provide. For a long distance all weather road warrior the 18s are a poor tire compared to the much better 20s. Those that use the WK2 as a farm implement may have different needs,however.

Its nice that Jeep gives us a choice of how to outfit the WK2, but that doesn't prevent poor choices by some here, and then complaining vocally. A little effort in research before one buys can prevent some embarrassment and second thoughts. Don't blame the vehicle for your mistake in choosing options. The ORA package makes it easy to outfit a more off road oriented vehicle. Perhaps look into 17 inch wheels for the farm.

I tend exaggerate a bit... but 20s are far superior for my use than 18s or 17s.
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Its nice that Jeep gives us a choice of how to outfit the WK2, but that doesn't prevent poor choices by some here, and then complaining vocally. A little effort in research before one buys can prevent some embarrassment and second thoughts. Don't blame the vehicle for your mistake in choosing options. The ORA package makes it easy to outfit a more off road oriented vehicle. Perhaps look into 17 inch wheels for the farm...
Oh you mean like the "off-road" tires that come with the ORA package. Is that a poor decision by the buyer as well? Look I love my Jeeps but come on, so much of this is marketing and the consumer does pay for it in function. BTW if you read my OP this is more about on-road hazards and the effect 20" have vs 18". I never really got into the whole "off-road thing"
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I might have two 2014 JGCs right now had I not had so many problems (I would have replaced my Lexus GX with a JGC SRT). Instead, it looks like I will be getting a 2014 Range Rover Sport Autobiography instead.
Hold on ..you dont want to buy another Jeep because of reliability so you're choosing a Land Rover?
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Hold on ..you dont want to buy another Jeep because of reliability so you're choosing a Land Rover?
Well, my Jeep's engine did blow out at 3000 miles. I also have a host of other issues that I won't list here. It isn't just reliability that is the problem; the Jeep service, in my experience, has been terrible. One of my friends bought a RR about 10 years ago and the transmission completely broke at 10,000 miles. They got the option of a brand new RR with even more options or a refund within 3 days of the incident.

I also have checked out RRS forums (and RR, as the RRS is based off of the RR), and have heard of no issues with 2013/2014 RRs or 2014 RRSs.

I also should have clarified that reliability is not the only thing factored into my decision (obviously). There are other things that have played a part as well. Also, I over-exaggerated the role that reliability played. I might not have gotten an SRT before, and I still might get an SRT now. It definitely is not the deciding factor, but it did show that Jeep service is not that great, and I would like to be treated better when I purchase a $70k vehicle. My main issue with stuff breaking down is that it takes away from the enjoyment of the vehicle, and bad service adds insult to injury. Up until things started to go wrong, I was totally in love with my JGC. However, all of the issues and bad service stripped that pleasure away. If Jeep makes everything right, I'm sure the feeling I had initially will return, but until then, I'm not sure if I want to take my chances and buy another.
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Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing

Getting back to 20s vs 18s, I was fairly certain I was going with the 18s for my current GC. Having owned various Jeeps for various purposes over the years, I was certain that the 18s were the way to go. As I got ready to purchase, I had two GCs that were fairly similar sitting side by side - one with 18s and the other with the 20s. I ended up taking the one with the 20s and could not be happier. Even the GY Forteras are decent. I have logged over 40K miles in about two years and the package works great even with roads peppered with potholes. They work very well in moderate snow and provide a nice handling overall experience. If I were to seriously off-road, I would have a second set of wheels and tires matched to the conditions anyway. The 20s are a great way to go.
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Getting back to 20s vs 18s, I was fairly certain I was going with the 18s for my current GC. Having owned various Jeeps for various purposes over the years, I was certain that the 18s were the way to go. As I got ready to purchase, I had two GCs that were fairly similar sitting side by side - one with 18s and the other with the 20s. I ended up taking the one with the 20s and could not be happier. Even the GY Forteras are decent. I have logged over 40K miles in about two years and the package works great even with roads peppered with potholes. They work very well in moderate snow and provide a nice handling overall experience. If I were to seriously off-road, I would have a second set of wheels and tires matched to the conditions anyway. The 20s are a great way to go.
I personally can't wait to get rid of the forteras. I agree they aren't bad, but the simple fact that they are a $120 20" tire leads me to believe there is massive room for improvement.

I'm happy with the ride quality and handling with my 20s, but cannot wait to see what a real set of tires are like. Michelin LTX MS/2's are next!
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