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Old 02-19-2012, 12:57 PM
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Re: Grand Willys project

Got a start on the rails.


With the front of the frame where it needs to be over the chalk line, you can see how much the rear needs to come over.


Leaving the first frame bend as is but adding a second bend a bit further along. This will allow me to run the rails parallel under the cab so I can fit the Grand Cherokee's fuel tank next to the driveshaft as it was installed on that vehicle.


Quickly made up a primitive break to make the bend in the frame rail. Was originally a piece of I beam I got out of a scrap bin over 20 years ago! The slot will go over the one of the flanges as didn't want to cut the whole thing shorter in case I need the extra length later on.


Centred the bend to be square to the middle part of the rail so I wouldn't get a twist in the rail like I already have from the factory bends! Also made sure the rail was exactly square to the press bed.


As expected there was some buckling due to the compression on the flanges. I over bent the rail a bit on purpose as expect the bend to straighten some when I remove these buckles.


Some sledge and dolly work removed the buckles and ended up with just the angle I required. Had to use a short handled sledge due to these frame rails being 3/16" thick rather than 1/8" that you find on cars of the same era.


Can see now the frame follows the chalk line from the front to the end of the cab section. Camera angle makes it look slightly off, but that is due to the front being off the ground.


Next up will be the rear end. Needs the stock bend taken out to start with.


Worked it out to match the needed suspension pickup points as well.
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:29 AM
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Looks like a lot of hard work and math. Keep the updates coming. I love watching this thing come alive! You need one of those rotisserie frame/car builders that you see Chip Foose and other car builders use.
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Re: Grand Willys project

Thanks mate. Earlier in this thread you see I made one from two engine stands when drilling out all the spot welds in the Grand. Wont be strong enough probably once the drive train is added, but should be fine for the chassis once a bit more together and doing the cab.
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I don't even read anymore.....

I just look at the pictures.

I might just take all the pictures and make a slide show.
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Re: Grand Willys project

subscribed, this thread is awesome. i cant wait to see the finished results.
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Both rails coming along. Next will be raising the rear above the axle 4" and the front 1.5" to get full upward suspension travel and not sit up high in the air.
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One of the rails had 2.5 degrees of twist in the end of the rail. So removed it by holding the rail in the press, bolting an old piece of channel to one of the existing holes in the frame where the twist was, then bouncing my whole body weight on the end of the channel. Came straight out.
Simple but effective.


This is the point where the front of the Grands engine and suspension cradle will bolt on underneath. It needed to be 226mm, so need to raise the frame to match.


Used a triangle calculator, http://www.smex.net.au/Reference/TriangleCalc.htm to quickly workout how many degrees the bend, where it comes up from under the cab, needed to increase. Only needed just over 2 degrees which turned out to be a cutoff saw blade width.


Line was scribed halfway in the curve and a right angle to it, then cut stopping an inch short of the flange. The reason I do it this way is that the bend in the lower flange will remain smoother and no obvious change will be seen. If you don't have a press, then can stop just before the flange and just pull the cut closed by hand.


The cut was fully bevelled so full penetration will take place when it is welded back up. Then placed in the press to close the gap. Needed very little pressure and didn't distort the web of the channel.


I tacked it while still in the press to stop it moving when the pressure was released.


Got it right where I wanted.


I have some rust repairs to do where the rail kicks up before the rear axle. Doesn't look too bad but there is a pin hole all the way through at one point.


Both rails have it in the exact same spot as dirt gathered behind the cross member and stiffening plate that was riveted in here. Only the stiffening plate itself suffered rust as well, but going to be replaced with a full length boxing plate anyway. I will cut this away, then do the kick up in the same spot before welding in a replacement section of frame.
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Can we get a drawing of what the finished product might look like? Like what they do on Overhauled.
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Don't have a drawing but found this photo recently that gives you a bit of an idea.

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Awesome!! That's all I can say. Ha
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OK, getting on with it a bit more.


Finally feel I'm in the construction faze now as got my first bottle of gas for my mig I bought three years ago. First weld out of the gun welding up the rail where it was bent upwards. Gave good penetration all the way through so not bad first up. Have put the old arc welder I have been using up until now in the corner.


Cleaned up the weld a bit. Will do a better job later on. Just need to make fish plates for the back of the joins.


Cutting out the rusted section in the rear kick up now.
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