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Old 09-12-2012, 07:35 PM
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Re: Grand Willys project

Wow, its been forever since Ive stopped by this thread! It sure looks like youve been making some slow but steady progress. I mean, thats the name of the game though, a build like this certainly cannot be rushed and why should it?

Anyway, awesome work as always, just be sure to keep the pictures coming. Its very inspiring work, really makes me want to build a ratrod or at least chop the top on something, put it on air and drop in a stroker! My new show is Fast-n-Loud on velocity, gotta love the restoration of classics and crazy builds they do
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Thanks for the comments mate. No need for me to rush it as rather enjoy the process and want it right.
Only have one more other job to do and can get back on it again. Maybe later next week.
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Haven't been able to touch the project in over a month, but got a bit of time this week when I was waiting for a part for something else I am working on.


So starting putting the frame together. First made some trestles with bits of scrap I had. The tops of the main ones were used previously as the braces between the rails when I fully welded in the boxing plates.


The frame was made perfectly level left to right and front to rear on the straight sections both at the rear and under the cab. Also across the top of the front suspension uprights and under the frame where the engine cradle bolts up as well.


Was good to see that the threaded inserts for the panhard rod mount all lined up perfectly. Can see the coil mounts in position ready to be fully welded too.


The rear cross member looks to be a good fit. Will have to bevel the joins to get full penetration of the welds.


Using a digital angle gauge to make things more accurate. It did show up that I had a twist in one of the rails in the front section. Looks like the bracing I had between the rails where it was straight worked perfectly, but needed more in the front section. A cross brace would have helped there.


Just using a propane torch to get the twist out of one frame rail. Advantage of using this is the maximum heat it can get up to is perfect for heat straightening without loosing tensile strength that you can get for going too hot.


To assist getting the twist out of the left rail in the picture, I have used a couple of turn buckles. Also notice that the other side I don't want effected has been braced onto the ground.


I heated along the the outside corner and the lower opposite inside corner to twist the frame inwards. It was 2.4 degrees out in total before I started and 0.1 degrees by the time I finished.
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Brilliant!!! I was seriously getting withdrawal symptoms....
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:35 AM
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After taking out the twist that this frame rail had, I found it was 3mm-1/8" higher than the other side now. So to level it I used a technique used often in bridge straightening. To bring it down, most of the heat needs to end up at the bottom so it shrinks more once cooled. So you start at the top of the triangle and weave your torch slowly to the wider part as shown. Do both sides straight after each other and then the bottom flange. This site tells you all about how to do it. http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/bridge/steel/02.cfm


Got the frame dead level and square to the millimetre by measuring corner to corner. Make sure the rails are exactly the same length too. I noticed that mine were 3mm-1/8" different even before I started altering them. They were still that much out once I had made all my alterations, so I shortened one to match the other BEFORE laying any of the suspension points etc out. It is also important to run a string line right up the middle of the frame and measure off to each side along points to make sure there is no bow in the frame any where. You can have a frame measure square and still have a bow in a rail. I have gotten mine to 1.5mm accuracy off the centreline, so pretty happy with that.


The V6 version of the Grand Cherokee donor does not come with the stiffening bar between the upper suspension mounts, but my 5.7 Hemi does. I decided to stiffen it up even more by adding a second one as well. I may still plate these to make them even stronger, or make whole new ones depending on the clearance once everything is in place. In the mean time it shows at least that the distance the mounts are apart is still at factory specification. They fit right on without any levering needed.


Added the final brackets that I had removed from the donor that hold the rear panhard/trackbar in place. It bolts into 5 places, the same as stock.


Here is that cross member I made out of two stock Willys ones earlier, now tacked into place between the coil mounts.
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Hoping to get more done this weekend, but my wife wanted me to watch the V8's racing at Bathust with her. What's a man going to do.


Time to add the front cradle. Front mounts for this were already installed before I plated the rails you might remember. So bolted in the front and then made sure the frame was square to the centreline.


The rear mounts are quite a bit lower than the Willys frame rails and are inboard.


This is the rear mounts inside the Grand frame rails that I had cut out.


I cut and made the pieces of the donors frame rails to fit, but didn't like the way it looked at all. So pulled out some of the original Willys suspension mounts to see if they could be utilised.


Choose the original leaf spring mounts that were on this part of the frame originally and cut them to length after removing the original rivets that held them together. Thought this suited the frame better seeing this mount will be visible behind the front wheel under the guard.


Then folded up some plate to follow the shape of the mounts so they could extend from outside the frame, to the inside and over the cradle mounts. Got one done and now making the second one the same.


Folds match the mount well enough considering just done in a vice with a hammer.


Here you can see the mount come out over the cradle. Part of the donor mount sits inside it to check its position before being welded in later. This makes it mount in exactly the same way as in the donor.


Blasted the old leaf spring mount with garnet inside and out before welding some of it together. Not sure if I will add the original rivet heads into the old holes or not. Might make the contrast of old and new a bit much.
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Marcus that was absolutely brilliant mixing the old and the new for those mounts. When that cab is finally out of the shed you're gonna have to fix it up for your trophy room!
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Everything looks fantastic! This is by fsr my fav build! I can't wait to see the rolling chassis with engine dropped in!! Keep the updates coming!!
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Thanks for the response guys. Don't think this will win any trophies some how as doesn't fit in any particular category. But that is not why I am building it as only has to make me happy.
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Was hoping to have a rolling chassis by the end of the year but don't think I will make it. Only have just over 6 weeks left before I leave for overseas for the rest of the year. Not going to rush any thing to get it done.
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