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Re: 2011 Alpine simple make over

Greetings,

Glad you are happy.

I bet you can not wait to change out the speakers.

Keep us updated.

Best for now.

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Re: 2011 Alpine simple make over

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Greetings,

Glad you are happy.

I bet you can not wait to change out the speakers.

Keep us updated.

Best for now.
Yes, the intention was to build a solid SQ platform for good speakers.

Since I can't get the HAT Legatia here in Canada, I'm still leaning towards the Hertz Mille Legend. They have Hertz, Audison, Focal and higher-end Pioneer speakers in the boards at the shop I am working with. To my ears, I like the smooth sound of the Legend tweeters (ML 280.3) the best. I've heard Morels are good, but they don't have any mounted in boards at the moment. Plus the Morel Elate are about twice the price of the Hertz Mille.

Are there any other speaker lines you would recommend I look at?
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Greetings,

Glad you are happy.

I bet you can not wait to change out the speakers.

Keep us updated.

Best for now.
Sorry for the OT post, but couldn't help but notice your signature photo: Steamtown and Big Boy!
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Sorry for the OT post, but couldn't help but notice your signature photo: Steamtown and Big Boy!
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Steamtown and Big Boy UP 4012.

Hopefully one day in the future I can ride on UP 4014 which is in the shop out in Cheyenne. They are making progress and mostly the first season will be sold out.

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Steamtown and Big Boy UP 4012.

Hopefully one day in the future I can ride on UP 4014 which is in the shop out in Cheyenne. They are making progress and mostly the first season will be sold out.

Best for now.
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Re: 2011 Alpine simple make over

New(er) to the forum, but wow. This entire thread is wonderful, so thank you! I am looking to upgrade my 730n to the 8100NEX (primarily for CarPlay and the capacitive screen responsiveness) but I had many questions prior to finding this. Such as, would the backup camera correctly work and display the lines, would the dash need to get mangled upon installation, etc.? Your photo gallery answered that right up.

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Re: 2011 Alpine simple make over

Greetings and welcome,

Glad to be of service.

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Re: 2011 Alpine simple make over

Amazing system 1stJeepGC! I just read most of this thread. I thought my system was starting to be a little overboard but now you've got me feeling OK about it lol...

I would LOVE to hear your setup.

Hopefully I'll get my speaker problem sorted out tomorrow!

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Re: 2011 Alpine simple make over

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Greetings, Part 1

This was a simple SOUND QUALITY (“SQ”) system to engineer by myself for my complete replacement of the factory Alpine Premium surround system. The hardest part was saving up. Comprises had to take place or some stuff it would have driven me way over the top. Thus, the 2 ½ year wait from the time I purchase the JGC. The install was done during late September into early October of 2013. I am still paying off the sound system. So, no questions regarding how much did this put me into the hole ($,$$$.$$). But, yes, it is well worth it. Would I do it again? Oh Yes.
Just to confirm, is the alpine setup that was in your 2011, the same that is in the current 2016 / 2017 units that are not the HK upgrade? I know the uConnect system is newer, but over the same general setup as far as speakers and processing unit? I'm looking at the 2017 Trailhawk and want to upgrade the audio, willing to spend around $2k - $3k to do so, and want to go stealth box as you did but with solid tweeters and midbass speakers as well to complete the sound stage.
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Re: 2011 Alpine simple make over

Greetings,

Yes, that was the factory OE Alpine system with Uconnect 430 and the 9 speakers plus the 8 inch sub. The HK upgrade was not out in the 1st year of the WK2. As far as I know, the newer Alpine system are still the same with some minor adjustments. Those who have reported here indicated that it still is the same sound wise.

With your planned overall, you should be able to accomplish it with your plan budget. Of course the Stealthbox and associated amp will eat most of that budget. Due keep in mind that once you play with the front stage, the center channel can not be adjusted since it is present in the factory DSP/AMP.

Take your time and research.

Best for now.
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Re: 2011 Alpine simple make over

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Yes, that was the factory OE Alpine system with Uconnect 430 and the 9 speakers plus the 8 inch sub. The HK upgrade was not out in the 1st year of the WK2. As far as I know, the newer Alpine system are still the same with some minor adjustments. Those who have reported here indicated that it still is the same sound wise.

With your planned overall, you should be able to accomplish it with your plan budget. Of course the Stealthbox and associated amp will eat most of that budget. Due keep in mind that once you play with the front stage, the center channel can not be adjusted since it is present in the factory DSP/AMP.

Take your time and research.

Best for now.

I want to thank you for all of your great information. I have spent the past month on this forum everyday soaking up information for my new vehicle I am ordering this week. Tinting the windows will be the very first item on the list the next day and upgrading the audio will be the next thing I do within the week I pick it up. I enjoy a solid sounding system and appreciate a quality SQ setup.


I have researched so many threads and forums for speakers, and I like your choices very much. I wanted to ask you since it has been 3 years since you built out your system, and knowing how your setup sounds after this time, if you were to build it out again would you choose the same speakers and amps or not and why or why not?


I know you chose to upgrade the head unit and as much as I would love to have Android Auto I am looking to keep the factory 8.4 with Nav head unit so that I still have control of the many vehicle settings through the uConnect. I wish it wasn't that way but when going aftermarket for the head unit you loose all those controls. In keeping with the factory head unit would it be recommended to utilize a sound processor such as you did with the JBL MS-8 to maximize sound quality from the HAT speakers?
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Re: 2011 Alpine simple make over

Greetings,

After thinking about your question since it was first time anybody asked me if I would do it over again the same way, it still a very good question.

The most important speaker that I can not stress enough about for a surround sound sound quality mobile audio system is the tweeter. In our situation we need only a single pair for the tweeter in the vehicle. A ribbon tweeter is out of the question with is axis problems as of now. The beryllium tweeter is another fine option. But the ring radiator tweeter from HAT and it's price point was the perfect solution for me. The L1 Pro R2 tweeter controls off axis response better than previous tweeters of this type for mobile audio. Even Polk gave up on it years ago.

Equally important speaker was the L3SE from HAT that is my center and rear pillar. This was a total surprise in the detail of the sound. This is a wide band full range speaker that can serve many different purposes. As I mentioned in my writeup, the proper crossover setting is the key. My recommendation is to setup as band-pass type if the aftermarket DSP has that function. HAT drivers are the same as home audio hi-end drivers.

So the answer to the speakers is, YES, I would use HAT again.

As for the amps, Pioneer does not make that line any longer and it is a shame. The amps are incredible. The JL Audio amps would be the replacement. However, HAT amps are coming to the market and my feeling is that are going to a major impact on the market. Just as Focal speakers and amps are. Personally, I am fine with Class D amps.

The big question for amps today is whether to go with a combo unit consisting of DSP/AMP. This has steadily been available from manufactures at all different price points and grades. The big advantage is the signal path is digital within and thus you have a much better output. As oppose from going from digital to analog back to digital and out to analog.

B]So the answer to the amps is, reserved decision.[/B]

With regards, to the DSP's the JBL MS-8 is done as far as I know, but you can still find it. Harman blew it with that. Their was no reason in the world they could not make another version with no internal amps and 10 channels of full processing access. The only other unit is the Alpine geared only for 5.1 with access to processing with limitation in the setup. But, Audiofrog is suppose to come out with a product better than the MS-8.

Audiofrog Debuts Multiseat Stereo | ceoutlook.com

As my writeup indicates that I have 2 DSP's, the 3.sixty.3 is used for my fine tuning were the MS-8 fails in that respect for me. The 3.sixty.3 for me, did not live up to expectations and has problems. So the question becomes do I replace with the Helix DSP PRO, a combo unit or wait for the Audiofrog and redo it again?

B]So the answer to the DSP's is, waiting to see what Audiofrog has to offer.[/B]

The aftermarket headunit Pioneer AppRadio 3 is still working. But I still want to jump to CarPlay. As I posted in the CarPlay thread many times, until more 3rd party navi apps have to appear before I make the move. I might just go for the Pioneer 4200 Nex and run in the AppRadio Mode.

My personal opinion on dealing with the 8.4 Uconnect system is to have 2 or more DSP's for a surround sound 7.1 system. The first DSP is the JL Audio Flex 82 to clean up the signal in order to start fresh. From that point, their are many ways to process from here. The Audiofrog might be the answer when it gets released. Or find MS-8 and combine that with the combo unit of the DSP/AMP.

Hope this helps.

Best for now.
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