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I guess I'll have to look at this as a learning experience. This update is basically one update (12-18 months) behind what has been the industry median update interval.
Uconnect probably will not be my nav choice in the future.
The thing that bothers me about all this is that its just about money and them allocating the necessary resources to get it done in a reasonable time. There is no technical reason why its like this it would just simply hit someones bottom line to hard somewhere to do it faster and there is not currently adequate pressure to force that. We pay the 1-2k for a nav system and they got the money up front so they handle it how they want. Lots of competition in the portable market and thats why they deliver a superior product and an update every 3 months for free instead of every 3 years at $150 a pop.

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

Greetings,

With all that is going on, you figure the that the minimum build would be at least a something in 2014.

To me this means that the FCA agreement with H.E.R.E is not a good one. If they base the priority on the number of updates sold, then this problem will continue. To date, I has not found answer if the map data has any relationship to software platform. If it is, I can not see FCA upgrading the software to get to a better map platform. Harmon uses Gamin as their GPS software contractor in the Uconnect systems. The specification of the GPS software still comes from FCA.

IGO Primo (they are a European Company) uses a specific map set from H.E.R.E. and I know Garmin uses several different sets. Between both of these user bases, H.E.R.E. generates a nice portion of their revenues.

As for Apple purchasing H.E.R.E., that is not going to happen since they renewed their agreement with TomTom. In addition, Apple maps now gets data from the openstreetmap.org and other sources since the introduction (:roll eyes in IOS 6.

So now the question becomes, is this a stop gap measure to keep us quiet until FCA, Harmon and Garmin figure out what to do. Or, we are sitting with dead on arrival technology.

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I have 4Q2012 and would not be surprised if the date for this update is what the 2015's have. It would take nothing at all for them to put the date into the product description when you go to the order page. But then many would probably not buy the update. As I mentioned, I will probably defer on the update since they are not being forthcoming with the basic info of the date and some detail of what is in the update, as well as the ridiculous price they are asking.
This is the database that comes with a currently built 2015

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I received the map update this morning. It arrived in a shrink=wrapped plastic box inside a padded envelope. I followed the instructions and everything installed in about 45 minutes.

The software update is 14.25.5, which I already had.

See pics for map version.
As noted previously. don't focus on the 2013Q4 thing. The actual map build dates is the June 2014 Number. They continue to add information including route fixes etc up to that build date same as Garmin. Garmin just doesn't tell you when the information is actually from. Garmin actually forward dates their releases (as also previously mentioned), so when they come out with maps in early fall, they call it 2016.1 but it is actually based on Map Data from late in 2014 and updated information from early 2015.

Anyway, if you guys felt better about it, they could just lie about it and put some random date on it Like Garmin does?

The question is, does the map update address missing data from anyone's concerns? That is what is important... If the build Data is June 2014 and a Highway was going to be completed in July 2014, I can tell you that road is in the update.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

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As noted previously. don't focus on the 2013Q4 thing. The actual map build dates is the June 2014 Number. They continue to add information including route fixes etc up to that build date same as Garmin. Garmin just doesn't tell you when the information is actually from.
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Then the update is based sometime in 2014 when the data collected was finished?

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This is the database that comes with a currently built 2015



As noted previously. don't focus on the 2013Q4 thing. The actual map build dates is the June 2014 Number. They continue to add information including route fixes etc up to that build date same as Garmin. Garmin just doesn't tell you when the information is actually from. Garmin actually forward dates their releases (as also previously mentioned), so when they come out with maps in early fall, they call it 2016.1 but it is actually based on Map Data from late in 2014 and updated information from early 2015.

Anyway, if you guys felt better about it, they could just lie about it and put some random date on it Like Garmin does?

The question is, does the map update address missing data from anyone's concerns? That is what is important... If the build Data is June 2014 and a Highway was going to be completed in July 2014, I can tell you that road is in the update.
Thanks for the clarification so we are at 6/25/14 maps, 11 month old maps, that is better than 18 month old. The naming conventions certainly do serve to confuse in calling them what they are not. For the sake of everyone the naming should reflect what they are, this is data current as of 2nd quarter 2014. So call it that its a 2Q2014 map update its not 2015 its not 2016 its a 2Q2014 map update the information in it is current as of 2Q2014. Call it what it is and let people make their own decisions on if they want it or not that goes for Garmin too. but then who would buy a 1 year old 2014 map in 2015 right so lets make it sound better and spice it up a year forward. I know that's an industry thing so it is what it is I guess

Anyway you are right who cares about the dates does it serve the purpose we want it for or not. im loading them today and if im not driving in a corn field again when I leave tomorrow I am happy and if im not driving in the ocean when I leave in 3 weeks from now im also happy.

Now time to get out and enjoy the beautiful day in the jeep, that has no current issues knock on wood.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

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When Garmin or Google updates their maps, how current is their data? I always wondered why the car manufacturers didn't link up with one of them.


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google updates their data daily, maybe even more than once a day.

Until recently when people started doing crazy crap, you could make an edit yourself, hope someone would review it and concur that day and then see the updated data on their app the next day.

I'm sure it will still be updated daily but now that they need to approve all the changes (or do them themselves) there will clearly be a lag of how long till changes can be made.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

I guess my takeaway from all of this is my maps will be better when I install the update (due to be delivered 5-28), than they are now. I'll have to see how much better, and how much the poi's match reality. Also, that in-dash units will never compare favorably with handhelds for current data availability, even though the graphical interface is much nicer. The only thing that really bothers me is that in-dash units seem to be falling behind with longer data update spreads. Maybe next generation in-dash units will be able to correct this.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

When there are map updates is the only thing that changes is the data? Are there GUI changes? Any other changes other than map information?


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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

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This is the database that comes with a currently built 2015



As noted previously. don't focus on the 2013Q4 thing. The actual map build dates is the June 2014 Number. They continue to add information including route fixes etc up to that build date same as Garmin. Garmin just doesn't tell you when the information is actually from. Garmin actually forward dates their releases (as also previously mentioned), so when they come out with maps in early fall, they call it 2016.1 but it is actually based on Map Data from late in 2014 and updated information from early 2015.

Anyway, if you guys felt better about it, they could just lie about it and put some random date on it Like Garmin does?

The question is, does the map update address missing data from anyone's concerns? That is what is important... If the build Data is June 2014 and a Highway was going to be completed in July 2014, I can tell you that road is in the update.
This is not exactly true. I work for a different auto manufacturer in the Nav department so I know how the process works. It is a 6-9 month process from starting with new Road data to issuing the update. First it must be compiled with the POI data and other 3rd party information then it must be tested thoroughly on the road by field technicians. POI data does not come from HERE, they only provide road data. Almost all mapping companies get their POI data from a company out of Omaha called Info USA or Infogroup.

So if it says 2013Q4 than that is the road network data that is used and any newer roads will not be included. The POI and other 3rd party info may be newer closer to the June build date though.

What the June 2014 build date means is that this is the exact update they were supposed to release in October 2014. If this had been released then, nobody would be upset. Everyone assumed that part of the delay was redoing the update with newer info but that clearly is not the case. The cause of the delay is still unknown and all they did was give us the update they made last June.

Our company is on a constant 1-year update cycle and hopefully Chrysler is too. I would not waste any money on this update at this point and wait until the next update which hopefully will be released closer to its build date than this one. Chrysler should absolutely be giving this update away for free since it is already so old at this point. Very disappointing.

Oh well. My Jeep is still bad-ass and better that any other SUV I could have bought.
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This is not exactly true. I work for a different auto manufacturer in the Nav department so I know how the process works. It is a 6-9 month process from starting with new Road data to issuing the update. First it must be compiled with the POI data and other 3rd party information then it must be tested thoroughly on the road by field technicians. POI data does not come from HERE, they only provide road data. Almost all mapping companies get their POI data from a company out of Omaha called Info USA or Infogroup.

So if it says 2013Q4 than that is the road network data that is used and any newer roads will not be included. The POI and other 3rd party info may be newer closer to the June build date though.

What the June 2014 build date means is that this is the exact update they were supposed to release in October 2014. If this had been released then, nobody would be upset. Everyone assumed that part of the delay was redoing the update with newer info but that clearly is not the case. The cause of the delay is still unknown and all they did was give us the update they made last June.

Our company is on a constant 1-year update cycle and hopefully Chrysler is too. I would not waste any money on this update at this point and wait until the next update which hopefully will be released closer to its build date than this one. Chrysler should absolutely be giving this update away for free since it is already so old at this point. Very disappointing.

Oh well. My Jeep is still bad-ass and better that any other SUV I could have bought.
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This is not exactly true. I work for a different auto manufacturer in the Nav department so I know how the process works. It is a 6-9 month process from starting with new Road data to issuing the update. First it must be compiled with the POI data and other 3rd party information then it must be tested thoroughly on the road by field technicians. POI data does not come from HERE, they only provide road data. Almost all mapping companies get their POI data from a company out of Omaha called Info USA or Infogroup.

So if it says 2013Q4 than that is the road network data that is used and any newer roads will not be included. The POI and other 3rd party info may be newer closer to the June build date though.

What the June 2014 build date means is that this is the exact update they were supposed to release in October 2014. If this had been released then, nobody would be upset. Everyone assumed that part of the delay was redoing the update with newer info but that clearly is not the case. The cause of the delay is still unknown and all they did was give us the update they made last June.

Our company is on a constant 1-year update cycle and hopefully Chrysler is too. I would not waste any money on this update at this point and wait until the next update which hopefully will be released closer to its build date than this one. Chrysler should absolutely be giving this update away for free since it is already so old at this point. Very disappointing.

Oh well. My Jeep is still bad-ass and better that any other SUV I could have bought.
Ok so we are on 2013Q4 road maps, POIs could be newer. So working for another manufacturer what is your opinion of chryslers process they got for this? is the move from a DVD to Flash Drive format going out the door just to much for chrysler to figure out or is it not really just a format change issue in your opinion?
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Ok so we are on 2013Q4 road maps, POIs could be newer. So working for another manufacturer what is your opinion of chryslers process they got for this? is the move from a DVD to Flash Drive format going out the door just to much for chrysler to figure out or is it not really just a format change issue in your opinion?
It seems to me more like a leadership change issue than anything...
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