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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

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These vehicles have a wifi device or they wouldn't be able to allow you to use your vehicle as a hotspot. Why not just allow owners to connect their vehicle to their homes Wifi and download the update straight to the vehicle without having to waste 3G bandwidth. It would be fast and cheap as it would be using the owners home wifi which I assume 90+% of the the people out there have home wifi.
Most of the complaints in this forum are about having to pay for the updates not so much how it's done. For those who want the map updates Jeep should just continue to send out flash drives at a minimal fee and we pay shipping cost. I just updated my map ($157.00) was free shipping but had to pay tax......I'll probably update maybe every two years or so. Maybe they should lower it but it is what it is!

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

Well I am new here and really only have the following to say.

1) at least there was an update.

2) I would rather see a downloadable version myself, 3 gigs really isn't that much over high speed internet. The maps are about that big when I update my Garmin and it only takes an hour or so to download the maps.

That being said, I have not upgraded yet, thinking about it but with the value of the Canadian dollar it is a bit hard to swallow. Probably will even though I have a Garmin, as others have said it is just nice to have an all in 1 package - but a lot happier if the update was more in the US$60-80 though (if I had to pay for it).
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

After taking a road trip through eastern Texas, I decided to do the update on my '14 SRT (speed limit was often incorrect, nav tried to take me on private-"no trespassing" roads, even with the fastest route option selected).
After jumping through all the hoops to get the install code, everything went by the book. I am disappointed, however, that the navigation still has the old configuration of a nearby major cloverleaf that was changed over three years ago.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

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After taking a road trip through eastern Texas, I decided to do the update on my '14 SRT (speed limit was often incorrect, nav tried to take me on private-"no trespassing" roads, even with the fastest route option selected).
After jumping through all the hoops to get the install code, everything went by the book. I am disappointed, however, that the navigation still has the old configuration of a nearby major cloverleaf that was changed over three years ago.
I notice that it is giving me an old speed limit of 35 mph which changed to 45 mph over 3 years ago. The only difference I do see so far, is it seems to be faster plotting a route and maybe a bit more responsive.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

I will not be paying them good money for updating to a still out of date map on a bad navigation system. I only use the vehicle navigation for an overview of traffic or the route. The autozoom on far is so tight that I can see further than it is showing me, nothing like as useful as the Garmin system they used to have. What they need to do is provide an option to replace this with a one time buy to switch to Garmin navigation. Until they do that I will continue to use Waze on my cellphone for real navigation in areas with coverage and Copilot on when I am out in the wilds. Copilot maps are updated frequently and the software was cheap, even with traffic support. This system is a disgrace.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

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Most of the complaints in this forum are about having to pay for the updates not so much how it's done.
Sort of.

I think most would be willing to pay a reasonable amount for up to date maps. Paying the entire cost of a standalone GPS that includes free updates for life isn't reasonable.

It's even less reasonable when you consider a) the maps aren't anywhere close to as up to date as some of the free options out there and b) the Navi system adds around $1000 to the price of the vehicle, making it incredibly expensive to buy in the first place. The fact you can't even get updates included during the hardware warranty period is kind of a slap in the face. It's kind of a kick in the you-know-whats to realize my maps were months out of date before I even drove the thing off the lot.

Finally, the system itself lacks a lot of features of free options. Even things like traffic and other real time information it provides are dependent on paid services like XM, which means paying even more to get features that are included at no charge elsewhere. Of course, I've never gotten accurate traffic information in the entire time I've owned the unit, so I have no trouble saying no to the extra cost to get those features.

What Jeep has failed to do here is come up with a realistic compromise between price and features compared to other options. On top of that, they distribute the product in the most foolish and expensive manner possible.

It seems to me, the only upside to getting the navi system is that it's built in and always available and has a bigger screen than standalone models.

Let's face it, compared to other options, the built in system compares pretty poorly. It's not very customizable, it's slow to react, it can't pull addresses from your phone contacts, it can't simply navigate to a town or city without a street address, it doesn't let you make route changes while moving unless you jailbreak it and it takes bloody forever to find the satellites when the Jeep has been in a garage for too long.

Had I known that, I would have saved my money and stuck with my phone or a standalone GPS. Unless things take a radical turn for the positive in future models, I won't purchase a built in navi system with a Jeep again.
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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

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Sort of.

I think most would be willing to pay a reasonable amount for up to date maps. Paying the entire cost of a standalone GPS that includes free updates for life isn't reasonable.

It's even less reasonable when you consider a) the maps aren't anywhere close to as up to date as some of the free options out there and b) the Navi system adds around $1000 to the price of the vehicle, making it incredibly expensive to buy in the first place. The fact you can't even get updates included during the hardware warranty period is kind of a slap in the face. It's kind of a kick in the you-know-whats to realize my maps were months out of date before I even drove the thing off the lot.

Finally, the system itself lacks a lot of features of free options. Even things like traffic and other real time information it provides are dependent on paid services like XM, which means paying even more to get features that are included at no charge elsewhere. Of course, I've never gotten accurate traffic information in the entire time I've owned the unit, so I have no trouble saying no to the extra cost to get those features.

What Jeep has failed to do here is come up with a realistic compromise between price and features compared to other options. On top of that, they distribute the product in the most foolish and expensive manner possible.

It seems to me, the only upside to getting the navi system is that it's built in and always available and has a bigger screen than standalone models.

Let's face it, compared to other options, the built in system compares pretty poorly. It's not very customizable, it's slow to react, it can't pull addresses from your phone contacts, it can't simply navigate to a town or city without a street address, it doesn't let you make route changes while moving unless you jailbreak it and it takes bloody forever to find the satellites when the Jeep has been in a garage for too long.

Had I known that, I would have saved my money and stuck with my phone or a standalone GPS. Unless things take a radical turn for the positive in future models, I won't purchase a built in navi system with a Jeep again.

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Well stated.

As I have been saying for years here on the forum regarding the factory headunit, it is way behind in technology since the WK2 came out. Moreover, as I have stated in various threads in the Audio Forum section, the built-in GPS is still running in the infanticy mode back in the creation of the built-in GPS systems.

Hopefully, the correct solution presents itself in the 2017 models. Those who leasing and are eligible to get 2017 should be happy finally. While those who have purchase their Wk2 2014+ are stuck with just stupid map updates. I for one do not see FCA providing some sort of solution. The aftermarket world is still hesitated about tackling the solution due to the cost of dealing with Uconnect. For those who are looking for a GPS solution, best bet is check out the locpick threads to see what is out their. It might not be cheap either.

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Re: 2014 Grand Cherokee Map Update

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I really don't think that is a fair representation of the issues with this navigation system. It is slow, it has a poor user interface, even the most recent maps are significantly out of date, updates do not arrive in a timely manner. Basically it's a non-competitive product foisted off on a captive audience. No matter how they deliver it $157 is not a realistic price to charge for an update to a system which was vastly out of date when delivered.
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Sort of.

I think most would be willing to pay a reasonable amount for up to date maps. Paying the entire cost of a standalone GPS that includes free updates for life isn't reasonable.
A reasonable amount would have to be based on competing systems. For Android systems that ranges from $0 to not much. A 7" Garmin system with lifetime maps and traffic is $247 on Amazon. A one time upgrade of an old system, before the lifetime maps and traffic, is $80. So somewhere in between, maybe $30 or $40. But upgrades to bring the system to the information that should have been provided when the vehicle was purchased should be free.

And then there's the garbage software. This software is 10 years behind the times. It is way behind the navigation in the first generation Ford Flex (it was a rental but I had it for a month in 2008) and Ford really weren't known for decent systems at that time. Chrysler really needs to get their finger out and they have known that this system was garbage for years. But they make great money on it. There isn't $100 in the hardware (even a good cell phone doesn't cost much more than that to manufacture), I can't imagine where or why they bought a processor this slow. Hmm, I wonder if I could get an interview with their vehitronics people so I can tell them what I think of them? Anyone know where this is 'developed'.
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These vehicles have a wifi device or they wouldn't be able to allow you to use your vehicle as a hotspot. Why not just allow owners to connect their vehicle to their homes Wifi and download the update straight to the vehicle without having to waste 3G bandwidth. It would be fast and cheap as it would be using the owners home wifi which I assume 90+% of the the people out there have home wifi.
The Wifi in the Jeep doesn't work that way.

It's like a router that connects you to the 3G antenna. It's not like a WiFi card in a computer or a phone that requires a router to get to the internet.

In this case, the WiFi device in the Jeep is like a router and the 3G antenna is like the modem.

It works the same way as using your phone as a hotspot. While your phone is relaying other devices to the internet (via the cellular connection), it can't also connect to a WiFi modem, which makes sense because if there was an available WiFi modem, you'd just connect to it directly with those devices.

It's actually a completely outdated piece of technology because it's far slower than most cellular plans offer and far more expensive to use. Plus, any smart phone can do the exact same thing for less money, so there's little point in paying the UConnect leaches on top of what you already pay your carrier.

Where it would be nice is if it could use the satellite antenna to send and receive data via the XM satellites in places where there is no cellular service.
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As for me I ordered the update yesterday and spent the $149.00 because my map is outdated especially noticeable with speed limits and some new hi-way exits etc. Depending on how long I'll keep the Jeep I may just update every other time.
I guess you didn't read many of the posts. When you get your 'update' you will find that it is already very out of date and doesn't include changes that were made the the road network years before your original map. Which is why I am not paying a super premium price for a shoddy excuse for an update.

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The Wifi in the Jeep doesn't work that way.
In this case, the WiFi device in the Jeep is like a router and the 3G antenna is like the modem.
You don't really understand what is involved in a wireless gateway. Any WiFi radio (the devices are radios) is a bidirectional radio operating on the appropriate frequencies in the supported bands. If the radio can act as a hotspot it can also act as a mobile device on that band. I worked in the WiFi infrastructure part of Motorola which they acquired with Symbol Technologies which has now been sold on. We provided the WiFi infrastructure for people like WalMart and Macy's. Each packet transmitted or received is like a network packet going to you computer. You can surf the web at the same time as you operate a file server. We used the same radios, in repeaters, to receive traffic from the base station and to send it on to mobile units. I also used the Atheros radios from one of my Access Points in my desktop computer. So if Chrysler was actually being helpful they could allow your phone to provide data services, over the WiFi hotspot, to other WiFi users in your vehicle. Having the thing hop on the Internet while it is in your garage and download an update would be easy. One of my tasks was automatically updating the Linux operating system and software in each Access Point automatically at scheduled times or within a window, generally overnight. If Chrysler are interested I'll do it for them. Someone sure as hell needs to fix their crummy software.
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