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Re: 2014 JGC 10 Speaker Amp

Ok I have a '14 limited with the 9 amplified speaker plus subwoofer. Is that the alpine setup also? I know you can only get the HK on Summit and SRT. I don't think the setup is that bad. Of coarse after 16 years of 1000 watt systems (2 block bass setup) my ears are not what they used to be.
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Ok I have a '14 limited with the 9 amplified speakers plus subwoofer. Is that the Alpine setup also? I know you can only get the HK on Summit and SRT. I don't think the setup is that bad. Of coarse after 16 years of 1000-watt systems (2 block bass setup) my ears are not what they used to be.
In the '13 models, I understand that 'the Alpine system' merely replaced the super-cheap communistchinese drivers with blue-coned Alpine units...that all the rest of the system was the same. BTW, the speakers aren't 'amplified' in the sense that each driver has an amp parked on it. I KNOW that my front-door (both the bass/MR and the treble pairs), the rear-door pair, and the D-pillar pairs of drivers were not directly powered and that they were driven by sections of the main poweramp located in the LR corner of vehicle. I'm still astonished that Chrysler/Jeep/Mercedes allowed such a HORRIBLE-sounding system to be marketed.

Replacing ALL of the original system would require 10 channels of amplification, a relatively major project requiring at least 2 multichannel poweramps and LOTS of new drivers and rewiring. I'm VERY happy with my hybrid (of original and new) system of drivers and amp.

But maybe after years of using kilowatt systems with 2 block bass setups (whatever that is), probably you won't be satisfied with the original SW. My original SW has plenty of output, extension, and quality for me.

BTW, the last stages of my system rebuild will have me adding a bunch of Dynamat Extreme to the exterior of the SW cabinet and replacing the current, unmodified, fine-sounding old Alpine V12-series, 50WPC MRV-F307 poweramp with another old Alpine V12-series poweramp, this one a 60WPC MRV-F407. The '407 is one of the bandpass-filter amps with the filter controls atop the amp and also with MOSFET output transistors. I always believed that, all other things being equal (which, of course, they never are), MOSFETS sound a little better than bipolar output transistors. The '407 will get 2 pairs of new PS-final-filter caps (now-quite-expensive Black Gates no less) serving all 4 channels, and 5 new pairs of coupling caps in channels 1 and 2.

What is a '2 block bass setup'?
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What is a '2 block bass setup'?
Google gives this as the second option.

Seems about right:

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Re: 2014 JGC 10 Speaker Amp

When I used to install car stereos we used the term 2 block bass. Bass so loud they hear you 2 blocks away. My last setup was all image dynamics from components to 2 IDMAX 12's running off a Q1200.1 using audio control overdrive and EQ's. The factory setup if fine for me since I don't need those kinds of set ups anymore.
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When I used to install car stereos we used the term 2 block bass. Bass so loud they hear you 2 blocks away. My last setup was all image dynamics from components to 2 IDMAX 12's running off a Q1200.1 using audio control overdrive and EQ's. The factory setup if fine for me since I don't need those kinds of set ups anymore.
I suspected it was something like that.

If you find the original system's bass to be adequate, and I suspect you'll find the output of the rear-door and D-pillar drivers adequate, I suggest you do something similar to what I did.
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Re: 2014 JGC 10 Speaker Amp

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In the '13 models, I understand that 'the Alpine system' merely replaced the super-cheap communistchinese drivers with blue-coned Alpine units...that all the rest of the system was the same. BTW, the speakers aren't 'amplified' in the sense that each driver has an amp parked on it. I KNOW that my front-door (both the bass/MR and the treble pairs), the rear-door pair, and the D-pillar pairs of drivers were not directly powered and that they were driven by sections of the main poweramp located in the LR corner of vehicle. I'm still astonished that Chrysler/Jeep/Mercedes allowed such a HORRIBLE-sounding system to be marketed.

Replacing ALL of the original system would require 10 channels of amplification, a relatively major project requiring at least 2 multichannel poweramps and LOTS of new drivers and rewiring. I'm VERY happy with my hybrid (of original and new) system of drivers and amp.

But maybe after years of using kilowatt systems with 2 block bass setups (whatever that is), probably you won't be satisfied with the original SW. My original SW has plenty of output, extension, and quality for me.

BTW, the last stages of my system rebuild will have me adding a bunch of Dynamat Extreme to the exterior of the SW cabinet and replacing the current, unmodified, fine-sounding old Alpine V12-series, 50WPC MRV-F307 poweramp with another old Alpine V12-series poweramp, this one a 60WPC MRV-F407. The '407 is one of the bandpass-filter amps with the filter controls atop the amp and also with MOSFET output transistors. I always believed that, all other things being equal (which, of course, they never are), MOSFETS sound a little better than bipolar output transistors. The '407 will get 2 pairs of new PS-final-filter caps (now-quite-expensive Black Gates no less) serving all 4 channels, and 5 new pairs of coupling caps in channels 1 and 2.

What is a '2 block bass setup'?
Why would you need a 10 channel system? I would say a five channel setup. You replace components with components cause they have crossovers already. Some allow adjustments for tweeter placement near or far from mid range. Two pairs of components running off a 4 channel amp and one mono amp for sub. You wouldn't have to run all new wires just start your wiring where the factory amp is like OverlandAzul looks to have done. and using stock head unit you would you a line level or RCA's with an aftermarket HU.
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Re: 2014 JGC 10 Speaker Amp

With 8-10 channels you can run full active channels; fronts, rears, subs and center channel and get 5.1 or 7.1 Surround Sound. No passive crossovers needed.

Using something like a JBL MS-8 or RF 3Sixty.3 processor to clean up that muddy sound. I'm now leaning toward the JBL MS-8 as I can use it to make quick improvements with the flexibility to replace and install additional components later on as I go.
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With 8-10 channels you can run full active channels; fronts, rears, subs and center channel and get 5.1 or 7.1 Surround Sound. No passive crossovers needed.

Using something like a JBL MS-8 or RF 3Sixty.3 processor to clean up that muddy sound. I'm now leaning toward the JBL MS-8 as I can use it to make quick improvements with the flexibility to replace and install additional components later on as I go.
I get you. I forgot it was a surround system. another one is the audio control LC8i
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