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Re: 2014 speaker upgrade

I was thinking about upgrading just the 9.1 speakers in my 2012 to the 19 speakers in the 2014 but I can only count 15....
Does anyone know where the other four are located?
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:55 PM
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I was thinking about upgrading just the 9.1 speakers in my 2012 to the 19 speakers in the 2014 but I can only count 15....
Does anyone know where the other four are located?
How would you do that? Adding speakers isn't going to help unless you have the processing behind it. You can't simply add additional speakers to the OE Alpine system. Many channels are already running 2 ohms.

I know in my previous Lincoln THXII system, there was a cluster of 5 speakers in the center dash (appears as 1 grill). There could be a similar cluster in the Jeep HK system? I have not seen it.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:03 PM
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Re: 2014 speaker upgrade

yes I would add the appropriate amp/processor. Question is mainly about where are the other 4 speakers.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:11 PM
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They "Cheat" the number of speakers in the ML system. They count a 2-way speaker as 2 speakers. Gotta love marketing

Also, it seems the people are forgetting that you're dealing with an amplified system in the Alpine. Your speakers are not being powered with 5-10 watts RMS by a head unit...its a standalone amp pushing them.

Sorry, not to offend anyone, but those who say you will not notice any improvement in sound just by changing speakers are simply wrong. Will the difference blow your face off? Nope, but there WILL be an improvement, and one you'll notice.

IF you upgrade to a more efficient speaker, you WILL notice a difference. I doubt the factory alpine speakers are over 85db sensitivity. Find a good speaker with 90+db's sensitivity, and your sound will improve.

The Focal K2's that were just added have a sensitivity rating of 93db's and run off of 6-80 watts RMS.

One of the most popular home speakers out there, Klipsch, has made their name on efficiency. By using a horn and proper cabinet architecture, their infamous K-Horns have an efficiency of 104db and can hit 115 decibels off of one single watt.

Simply said, a speaker with higher sensitivity will use whatever power they're getting better..and you'll hear it.
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Yes, fronts only. Rears next.

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Mind if I ask how the bleep bleep did you get to the front speakers?
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Mind if I ask how the bleep bleep did you get to the front speakers?
Not sure, the installer did it. The trim removal guide here might help:

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/interior/201...emoval_001.pdf
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Also, it seems the people are forgetting that you're dealing with an amplified system in the Alpine. Your speakers are not being powered with 5-10 watts RMS by a head unit...its a standalone amp pushing them.
Also, from what I understand, you get a heavily equalized/modified signal from the factory amp that is tuned specifically to suit the factory speakers. When you replace those speakers it will be hit or miss whether it sounds right and the primary necessity for installing summing and processing device such as a Audison Bit 10 or JBL MS-8
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So I bit the bullet and replaced the fronts in my Overland with Focal 165KR2 components. The tweeters fit perfectly into the stock location and look schmick. Was planning to deaden the doors but the installer said they were pretty good from the factory anyway so just filled in the holes left by the 6x9 cutout. Due to the factory amps active crossover, didn't use the Focal's passive crossover (which pains me but have kept for later).

The result: I can actually hear the tweeters now and there's a clear improvement in mid-range kick. Overall a definite improvement in clarity.

The problem now is the rest of the system. I've started the journey and there's no turning back.....I know this is gonna hurt!! I plan to do it a step at a time hoping that each step is the magic bullet but I know where this is heading ($$ville)......next steps:

1. Replace rears (something in the Focal range) and deaden if needed.
2. Address subwoofer enclosure (fibreglass wrap or something)
3. Replace subwoofer driver (needs to be shallow to fit - Kicker?)
4. JBL MS-8 to take over steering logic and crossovers (install front passive crossovers)
5. Separate amp for speakers and mono amp for sub
6. Replace center dash speaker and rear surrounds.

Interested to hear anyone's thoughts on the process or recommendations for components.
Don't suppose if you have a moment, you could upload a picture of the new installed Tweeters.....Thanks
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:05 PM
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Also, from what I understand, you get a heavily equalized/modified signal from the factory amp that is tuned specifically to suit the factory speakers. When you replace those speakers it will be hit or miss whether it sounds right and the primary necessity for installing summing and processing device such as a Audison Bit 10 or JBL MS-8
Yes, makes sense that the factory would only send a limited/select frequency response to the stock speakers.... Ones that they could produce without being damaged. That doesn't mean new speakers wouldn't sound better. Many here complain of a lack of volume. More efficient speakers will be louder within the same frequency response.

I'm not disagreeing that it's major time and money to get a drastic improvement in sound... Just that swapping speakers could quite possibly make a good number of people happy for very reasonable time and money.
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Don't suppose if you have a moment, you could upload a picture of the new installed Tweeters.....Thanks
No probs - here you go....
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Not sure, the installer did it. The trim removal guide here might help:

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/interior/201...emoval_001.pdf
Oooh, thank you!
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No probs - here you go....
Thanks very much! looks good!!!
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