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2014 speaker upgrade

Now at the moment I am fine with my current 9 speaker setup, But when I feel I need to upgrade can you just upgrade speakers and leave factory amp to drive the new speakers. I would replace sub with JL stealth box or a version of my own.
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Re: 2014 speaker upgrade

Replacing the speakers won't do much. The Kicker upgrade may help some. There is not full-range signal going to any of the speakers. Thus, a quality set of aftermarket speakers won't help much. A significant improvement takes quite a bit of time, patience, and money. You'd have to start with an input summing device (LC6i or DSP), aftermarket amp, and good speakers in front. Upgrading the sub isn't fun either -- unless you simply add box to your cargo area, and eliminate the OE sub.
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Re: 2014 speaker upgrade

Ive upgraded my fair share of stereos with aftermarket head units. It would be my first in retaining factory radio and amp. I wouldn't use a LC6i I would use the DQ-61. The DQ-61 would be better since it has built in EQ. But that's if I upgrade. Thanks for the info on that I couldn't just replace speakers.
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Re: 2014 speaker upgrade

Research the JBL MS-8 processor. It's basically an upgrade in a can. Does everything for you such as Time Alignment, summing, crossovers, etc. AND has a built in amp so can build your system up slowly. Great if you don't have the time (or patience) to do months of tuning and retuning. It's automatic so it might not be your cup of tea if you like tinkering around a bit.

Aside from the MS-8 install I'm adding an amp for the subwoofer, sub enclosure reinforcement and 6.5" components for the front doors. Everything else will be stock (for the time being) and can be run from the MS-8.
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Research the JBL MS-8 processor. It's basically an upgrade in a can. Does everything for you such as Time Alignment, summing, crossovers, etc. AND has a built in amp so can build your system up slowly. Great if you don't have the time (or patience) to do months of tuning and retuning. It's automatic so it might not be your cup of tea if you like tinkering around a bit.

Aside from the MS-8 install I'm adding an amp for the subwoofer, sub enclosure reinforcement and 6.5" components for the front doors. Everything else will be stock (for the time being) and can be run from the MS-8.
Why do you want to do 6.5 comps up front? I would get the Image Dynamics 6x9 comps. Of coarse all I use is Image Dynamics. If I upgrade mine I have to decide to work with my IDMax 12 and Q1200.1 amp or sell them to get a IDQ 10, Q440.4, and Q600.1.
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Re: 2014 speaker upgrade

The debate of 6x9's vs 6.5's has been raging for years. I've never been a fan of oval speakers. If you're not using a sub, 6x9s are great for providing frequencies below 250Hz and with more efficiency than a subwoofer. But in the GC you already have a sub albeit small & weak one in a weak plastic enclosure. But because you also have a 6x9" (midbass) and a 1" tweeter (highs) you have nothing to provide the midrange so your front sound stage suffers. It was the first thing I noticed when I hopped in the GC for a test drive and hooked up my ipod. I found the sound muddy with a gap between the highs and lows which exposed quality of the speakers used. You'll notice on the H/K upgrade they provide a mid range in the front door.

Don't get me wrong, I've heard some really good aftermarket 6x9's and it is a matter of choice. They're mainly used by domestic car manufacturers as a way to create bass in narrow rear decks without having to use separate midrange and subs.

I reckon, as start, if one were to replace the 6x9's with 6.5's (even cheap ones) and replace the subwoofer and reinforce the existing sub enclosure, you'd hear a significant improvement in the sound quality.
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Now at the moment I am fine with my current 9 speaker setup, But when I feel I need to upgrade can you just upgrade speakers and leave factory amp to drive the new speakers. I would replace sub with JL stealth box or a version of my own.
Greetings,

I am almost finished with my major upgrade and soon I will have the write up and pictures.

The first thing we did was to install the speakers with out the sub and leave the factory dsp amp in to see how it sounds out of curiosity. The Speakers are from HAT with the stealth box. The sound quality was not bad, but, it need the power and the crossover settings were not right for these speakers. If you want to go this route, we must fine efficient speakers.

IMO, it is not worth it. The problem is with the factory amp and the settings that can not be changed. From the previous post by Radknight, that information is correct. I always suggest if you go this way, be prepared to install an amp and the converter. If you read my various post over the years, depending upon your level of music whether you into loud (SPL) or sound quality (SQ), you will be spending money to correct the factory problem.

To answer your question regarding 6x9 or 6.5, I am not a fan of the 6x9 when it come to sound quality. I prefer the mid-bass or midrange punch. Besides the common manufactures or can look for raw drivers. PartsExpress.com or Madisound.com are the best sources. Many of these drivers are the same ones that the named manufactures such as Pioneer, JL Audio, etc...

I do have preview pictures up when hit my name. It show be on my photo album.

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Ive upgraded my fair share of stereos with aftermarket head units. It would be my first in retaining factory radio and amp. I wouldn't use a LC6i I would use the DQ-61. The DQ-61 would be better since it has built in EQ. But that's if I upgrade. Thanks for the info on that I couldn't just replace speakers.
Good choice on including something with EQ. The OE signal needs a lot of EQ'ing -- even when summed. I mentioned LC6i -- as that's the bare minimum. A lot of people don't want to spend an additional $400 just to get decent sound from their $200 aftermarket speakers .
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Like I said though I am fine with stock system. But it's nice to have info taken care of if I do make the switch. If I was to this would be all that I would get. DQ-61, image dynamics XS-69 6x9 components for front, X-65 6.5 midrange for rear running of ID Q450.4. Sub would be a IDQ 10 running off a Q600.1. I could still use factory amp for the center and rear pillars correct? I do like the auto correction of the MS-8. It reminds me of my Denon/Klipsch home setup using the audyessy. But I've never used JBL products.
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^ Yep -- you could still use the factory amp to run the 2-3" speakers (if you wish). They probably won't be heard, and may hurt your SQ. I left my center dash speaker in my Ram for Uconnect and navi voice. Without it, the voice was muddled, and difficult to understand (has to do with the way I'm summing). It's really only heard for voice commands/calls. For music, it's not heard because the aftermarket over-powers it by a long shot.
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Not sure if this has been posted but a car audio shop here on the westcoast replaced a full audio system in an SRT 8. Check out the link. It includes a playlist. I believe it's about 5 episodes long. It's pretty cool.
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Not sure if this has been posted but a car audio shop here on the westcoast replaced a full audio system in an SRT 8. Check out the link. It includes a playlist. I believe it's about 5 episodes long. It's pretty cool.

Watching those vids makes me rethink doing anything. Then again those vids look like they leave out a lot of info. Looked like he also ran into some issues but solved them. Ive heard of Sound Man. I watched some of his vids on putting iPads in cars when I had installed an iPad 2 in my maxima.
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